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  • Rampage Upgrade costs

    Hey guys, just wanted to know what some of the printers are paying for rampage upgrades. We have version 10 and want to upgrade to version 12, the price we have given from Fuji is 14.4K for 2 rips, 2 dlts and 1 shooter
    Are there different rip options out there that perform the same but dont have to pay highway roberty prices for upgrades?

  • #2
    We're in the same boat. To upgrade one RIP shooter, upgrade RAMProof Direct, one Rampage FireCore Workstation Platform, one day on-site install ($1800...what a joke), and, of course, the must-purchase-you-don't-have-a-choice one year Rampage Support Contract ($1750...another joke), the grand total came to $14,500.

    Rampage makes a great product but their pricing structure is ridiculous. With our workflow going more and more to the digital side we told Fuji "thanks but no thanks, we'll stick with Version 10." We just couldn't justify the cost! We even asked if we could build our own box and just purchase the software upgrade (which was still $5000 all by itself). They said no way, not a chance.

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    • #3
      Highway robbery? Have you ever looked at a Prinergy upgrade? Rampage is probably the best deal you will find anywhere. $1750 for yearly support and it does not matter how many Rampage boxes you have and all the point updates are included in the support price. You would be lucky if Kodak would even talk to you for $1750. After 30 years in the trade and using every rip platform imaginable, Rampage is a steal. Just my two cents worth.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by macphenom View Post
        Highway robbery? Have you ever looked at a Prinergy upgrade? Rampage is probably the best deal you will find anywhere. $1750 for yearly support and it does not matter how many Rampage boxes you have and all the point updates are included in the support price. You would be lucky if Kodak would even talk to you for $1750. After 30 years in the trade and using every rip platform imaginable, Rampage is a steal. Just my two cents worth.
        I was today by Fuji that all point upgrades are now chargeable starting 2011, the $1750 is phone support only

        Ian

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        • #5
          Originally posted by prepressdude View Post
          We're in the same boat. To upgrade one RIP shooter, upgrade RAMProof Direct, one Rampage FireCore Workstation Platform, one day on-site install ($1800...what a joke), and, of course, the must-purchase-you-don't-have-a-choice one year Rampage Support Contract ($1750...another joke), the grand total came to $14,500.

          Rampage makes a great product but their pricing structure is ridiculous. With our workflow going more and more to the digital side we told Fuji "thanks but no thanks, we'll stick with Version 10." We just couldn't justify the cost! We even asked if we could build our own box and just purchase the software upgrade (which was still $5000 all by itself). They said no way, not a chance.
          Our first quote was 30K, they wanted us to buy their computers too, plus they had a charge of $360 for a usb dongle, which is forced caus the new computers dont come with a parallel port

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          • #6
            Newly Upgraded From 10 to 12

            My department has just upgraded from Version 10 to Version 12 with accompanying Firecore 2 x 2.66ghz Quad Core RIP. Our licensing was also upgraded to allow us to drive a new Epson 7900 as well as our old Epson 10600 And Fuji Luxel V6 CTP. A year of support and upgrades (I believe, unless upgrades are indeed chargeable now) was also included. The total cost from Rampage was $14,800.

            If upgrades are included in the yearly $1750 and I pay for an additional 4 years of support; then I get 5 years of support and upgrades, a new RIP and the ability to drive two proofers and the CTP for $4,360 a year. (4 years of $1750 is $7000, cost of upgrades and first year of support $14,800 - $14,800 plus $7000 equals $21,800. $21,800 divided by 5 (years) is $4360 a year. This does not seem bad for what is essentially the heart of my Pre-press workflow. In addition if I don't pay for support after this year (I have foregone support to save money before) then my yearly breakdown for 5 years would be $2960. That doesn't sound too bad and is essentially the price of a MacPro and decent monitor. I use the 5 year term because I think you can get by for that long unless something drastic changes in file types, new apps, etc.

            I have not used any other contemporary systems but I have used many RIPs over the years and I think Rampage is stable, responsive and not that much money for what you get. By starting over with someone else and buying everything do you think you will save money?

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            • #7
              Not bad at all

              I pay more then that a year for the service contracts on Prinect. Could only wish for that kind of costs. Rampage is one of the cheapest to own and upgrade in the long run. Had it for many years in a past life.

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              • #8
                Tech support alone worth the $1750

                Rampage tech support is very reasonable compared to Kodak's Prinergy Evo support which costs around 8-12k depending on your installed options. One call to Kodak for non-contract support costs $3.75/min. with a 30min. minimum totaling at least $112.50. I've used Rampage in the past (ver 8.7x) and they were very responsive and you get an actual person in this country who at least was a tester of the product and sometimes someone involved in the development. Many other companies use people who just look at a database but have not actually worked much in prepress directly.

                The one thing I am curious is how the Rampage NORM workflow in v10 and up worked out. Our version could not do a real pdf. Prinergy pdf workflow is great for sending low res pdf to customers for approval. I have never heard anyone using Rampage say they use the NORM workflow, only the ROOM which makes sending vector pdfs not an option. Anyone in this forum use Rampage NORM?

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                • #9
                  Updates, not upgrades

                  Correct me if I'm wrong but the $1,750 for support includes updates, not upgrades.
                  OS X 10.8.5 • Rampage 11.3 • Preps 5.3.3 • Javelin 8300 • Epson 9900 • KM C8000

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                  • #10
                    Charge for point Upgrades - NORM

                    According to a call I placed to Tech support at Rampage last week there is no cost for point upgrades (12.0 to 12.1, 12.2 to 12.3 etc.). The $1750 gets you unlimited Tech support and all point upgrades in a given year. This is a great deal.

                    As far as NORM workflow - I have not used it as a standard workflow in Rampage. I don't understand why someone would want to send out a proof that is not RIPed. A vector PDF is not RIPed. Why use the ability of a RIP to NOT RIP something as a selling point? Couldn't you just send out the PDF you are GOING to RIP, get an approval and then RIP it. Apart from sharing files with another printer who has their own trapping and color preferences I don't see the point in the NORM workflow. What advantage does it give you?

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                    • #11
                      NORM workflow

                      The idea behind sending a vector pdf directly from the workflow is that the customer can actually zoom up and see the type and artwork elements, spot color separations, etc. The pdf will have been normalized by the RIP and the fonts embedded or outlined and the images will be downsized to make it for emailing. Sending the original pdf that has not been processed by the workflow could be dangerous. We could never send a usable pdf from Rampage ROOM workflow because of the poor quality of the rasterized type, etc. If I understand Rampages NORM option correctly, it must work similarly to Prinergy and other PDF to PDF workflows. The only issue that could come up is with a complicated layered pdf, a proof must be made with the same print engine that the plate will use to make sure there are no errors in the flattening process.

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                      • #12
                        Confirming what Mike said and verified by Rampage. Rampage does not charge for point releases if you have yearly support and are in the USA.
                        Last edited by macphenom; 01-04-2011, 09:57 PM.

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                        • #13
                          NORM workflow

                          Streamlpress, your description of the need for the NORM workflow is what I thought most people would cite as an advantage of the PDF export ability of the system. I still feel that a non-vector, RIPed PDF is the most logical soft proof to send out, because it is RIPed. The vector proofs you send out do not actually make the hard proofs or plates that you run on press. Your feeling that sending out a native PDF "could be dangerous" is the same feeling I have about sending out a non RIPed PDF. What if you send out a vector PDF and it gets approved, but when RIPing some type of flattening issue takes place that causes the RIPed file to not match the vector PDF proof in some way? Have you really proofed the job?

                          I send out PDFs from Rampage daily, it is the only soft proof I send out because I know it will match our hard proofs and plate data exactly. I have not had any customer complaints about the RIPed PDFs. I know there are many workflows and methods that can be used, but since this is a Rampage thread I felt I should question the NORM workflow since it does not seem logical to me and it is often used as an argument against Rampage.

                          In any event, you can always use Rampage Remote if a customer needs to see traplines, separations, etc.

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                          • #14
                            Prinergy Evo Blows Rampage Away! Sorry, just a fact.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dkinsac View Post
                              Prinergy Evo Blows Rampage Away! Sorry, just a fact.
                              Why? Provide some examples of how Prinergy "Blows Away" Rampage.

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