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    Extensive Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Compatibility List Snow Leopard Compatibility: Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Compatibility List

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    Default Illustrator CS4

    I know many would like to continue to use CS3 or earlier versions of the Adobe products because the work they have is fine in those applications. You need to move on with browsers, OS changes and the like. I have an OS9 machine at home just for Quark because the software engineers in the 90s built that app. and it was done. No need to mess with it any more, despite the companies efforts throughout the years to tell you different, and the ridiculous versions that followed. I am not sure it is the same way with Illustrator. If you use CS4 and the newer features I am at a loss for why you would continue to work in CS3 or earlier. The separations pallet and viewing alone is reason enough in our industry if you don't have Esko Deskpack tools. I frankly look sideways at someone who still likes to work in CS2 or 3. You have to move on. There will be pain, but you know what they say - No Pain, No Gain.

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    Ever try to open a InDesign 2.0 job in CS4 there acro? I have. Fonts change, text reflows, U name it. That is the reason why I like to keep every version of an Application installed. So I can open the file in the version it was created in. Also not every customer will update. In fact out of 39 customers here that use InDesign, only 2 updated from CS2 to CS3 and only one updated to CS4. Now with this new OS from Apple my whole workflow has been upset. CS5 won't even run on my G5 PPC Mac I am being told. So lets see I'll need to buy a new Mac just to run the new stuff and keep and old Mac to run the legacy things. I already have gone down this path when Apple switched to OSX and back then the economy wasn't in a tailspin either.

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    I don't know about you, but all our customers are up to date and all use CS4. They all can use overprint preview in Acrobat and always supply fonts with their files. We don't even get files any longer with colors that are not in the job on press. Transparency problems as it relates to proofing methods is a thing of the past. Accept change, learn the new workarounds and move on. You WILL not stop the Adobe or Apple train. You have any idea how small our market is? Worst case scenario is you learn something in the end that ends up IMPROVING your productivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almaink View Post
    Ever try to open a InDesign 2.0 job in CS4 there acro? I have. Fonts change, text reflows, U name it. That is the reason why I like to keep every version of an Application installed. So I can open the file in the version it was created in. Also not every customer will update. In fact out of 39 customers here that use InDesign, only 2 updated from CS2 to CS3 and only one updated to CS4. Now with this new OS from Apple my whole workflow has been upset. CS5 won't even run on my G5 PPC Mac I am being told. So lets see I'll need to buy a new Mac just to run the new stuff and keep and old Mac to run the legacy things. I already have gone down this path when Apple switched to OSX and back then the economy wasn't in a tailspin either.
    You have to draw the line with your customers somewhere. You can't expect every software developer to develop for every platform and every contingency. If your customers are still working in, say Quark 4, it's time to "encourage" them to upgrade. Are they going to pay for the hardware that you must continue to support in order to take in their files? I know Adobe only supports their current version, and the one previous. You need to take a similar stand. Intel Macs have been out now for... 4 years? General life span of technology is... 3 years? Do what you need to do to prepare to get rid of legacy equipment. Are you still running film too? I TOTALLY agree with you that you need to open the file in the software/version/platform it was created in, else you're opening up a Pandora's box that may bite you in the butt later... for Quark and Indy. I also agree with acro, that with Illustrator and Photoshop, I always use the latest version.

    Anyway, just wanted to say that we can't be upset at the software developers for moving forward, that we must also.

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    sadly the upgrade game is on-going

    i gotta replace my old G3 and scsi scanner (umax mirage) and G4 silver doors and G5 - all to intel macs - and then the software upgrades too - damm the recession eh

    then i gotta upgrade mr postscript RIP to APPE, need a new proofer and possibly RIP as well - then ARTIOS cad needs upgrading along with a newer bigger PC to run it......and on it goes - forever

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    Font reflow is usually due to the vast number of versions of certain fonts, not necessarily versions of InD.
    There are at times (oh times is one of those fonts btw) some reflows, but as long as the customer supplies a pdf with the InDesign file you can make a pdf and use the compare feature to pinpoint those places.
    It is hard to know upgrade cycles, and we do not uppgrade all computers or software at the same time for that reason.
    Standards are a great help in maintaining steps of compatibility. We still use PDFx1a as interchange, to make it easier for customers wit older software to get good results.

    Each business needs to crack the ROI equation. We have an expression in Sweden, "it's on the upphill you can break from the crowd (to increase your lead)", a skiing analogy.

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    Newer is not always better, install the os on an external firewire drive and test out your apps. I wouldn't upgrade or think of it until about the third patch of 10.6 is out. 10.6.1 is already in the works, which is ridiculous. Plus there is a bug already with SMB volumes. If you, like me, we have a server which is SMB so this is a showstopper. Adobe had the same policy on vista when it came out for CS2 but it worked fine (so we are not the only OS getting the Adobe screw) I'm sure the same might be said for CS3. Your milage may vary.

    Good luck

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    There is one not so documented feature in 10.6 called image capture, it improves support for scanners. I thought this would be very helpful to our industry.

    Quote Originally Posted by beermonster View Post
    sadly the upgrade game is on-going

    i gotta replace my old G3 and scsi scanner (umax mirage) and G4 silver doors and G5 - all to intel macs - and then the software upgrades too - damm the recession eh

    then i gotta upgrade mr postscript RIP to APPE, need a new proofer and possibly RIP as well - then ARTIOS cad needs upgrading along with a newer bigger PC to run it......and on it goes - forever


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