Pantone "Plus" Color Guides

[nhprinter]

Just wanted to vent my frustrations on the pieces of garbage that Pantone calls Pantone + Formula Guides.

I guess we now know that Pantone is going to cater to the designers rather than the printers since they now have all of the colors out of order. The amount of time we now have to waste to look up the PMS number in the back of the book, fiddle through their flimsy pages trying to look at the page numbers at the bottom of the book is rediculous.

Just who is Pantone talking to? It's bad enough that they have to justify their existence by developing "new" colors that look like the old colors, but are called something different....they now have to change something that's worked well for over 40 years.

I guess this is what happens when a company has no serious competition............

Just what is the + for anyway? More wasted time?

[Cornishpastythighs]

I had a race with our ink guy for who could find 185 red first I used the old guide and he had the 'new improved' guide, he gave up looking!!!

[Lukas Engqvist]

I use the bridge for coacted and uncoated and find them very useful to communicate with designers.

[CHM]

Maybe good to know.
We had a serious problem when we installed the new PANTONE + libraries in ADOBE software (Illustrator and Photoshop)
When we did he would not open Illustrator files with linked photoshopfiles that had spot colors in them.
We had to remove these libraries again to be able to work with these files.
Don't know if it is a ADOBE problem or a PANTONE.

[chevalier]

Maybe good to know.
We had a serious problem when we installed the new PANTONE + libraries in ADOBE software (Illustrator and Photoshop)
When we did he would not open Illustrator files with linked photoshopfiles that had spot colors in them.
We had to remove these libraries again to be able to work with these files.
Don't know if it is a ADOBE problem or a PANTONE.

This is an Adobe issue made worse by Pantone's decision to make the Pantone+ Library installer remove the old Pantone libraries. The solution is to re-add the old ones back (the installer backs them up) and have both libraries installed.

It appears everyone finds the reordering of the inks by mix formula rather than the classical by identifier number EXTREMELY annoying.

[michaelejahn]

well, okay, so - suggest a better alternative. What might that actually look like, everyone having a spcrophotometer ? Everyone saying "gee, give me cheesey puff orange !" Would you prefer that designers they give you RGB values ?

Pantone develops a product that is designed for designers so they can see what a Pantone color might actually look like in the real world (vs on some uncalibrated monitor iPhone or iPad)

The books have changed a LOT since 1964 - so has how we print, or better said, what line screen and what color paper we print on.

Get over it Marine. Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

Educate your customers.

[gordo]

[SNIP]

Educate your customers.

I thought you were serious - until I read that last statement. LOL!

best, gordo

[Colorblind]

Gordo, I wonder how the "Educate your customers" concept would translate into a new RE:Print post :-)

[michaelejahn]

I thought you were serious - until I read that last statement. LOL!

yes, you cant edge-u-ma-cate al of the peoples all of the times, but you can edge-u-ma-cate some of the peoples some of the time.

Pantone colors represented by ink on paper always look different and actually measure different when you use different ink and paper unfortunately.

I rarely meet anyone who understands that they probably do not use the same inks or the same paper as Pantone when they print, and even fewer who know what a draw down is ( or means ) or understand that like any printed product, there are variances

-- (yes, even Pantone books are actually printed by real humans ! )

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[gordo]

Gordo, I wonder how the "Educate your customers" concept would translate into a new RE:Print post :-)

Actually I've done one on the topic. It will be published in about 3 weeks from now.

best, gordo