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    We just got bit by the new Indesign CS6 Lab color books. I realize that Lab color is the way things are going, and I also realize that we are not doing thing at this shop in a proper color management workflow. I want to change that, but I have know idea what I need to do. I suspect I need a properly trained expert to come to my shop and show us the proper way to do color management for our system.

    Where would I look for such a person?
    Is this something we should look to our rip manufacturer (Screen) for?

    Somebody, please help me find the proper way.

    TIA

    Paul

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    I would recommend Terry Wyse as a good starting point
    Wyseconsul.com
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    Where would I look for such a person?
    Is this something we should look to our rip manufacturer (Screen) for?

    Somebody, please help me find the proper way.

    TIA

    Paul[/QUOTE]

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    Ptheobald1
    That link seems to be out of commission. Any other thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pabney View Post
    We just got bit by the new Indesign CS6 Lab color books. I realize that Lab color is the way things are going, and I also realize that we are not doing thing at this shop in a proper color management workflow. I want to change that, but I have know idea what I need to do. I suspect I need a properly trained expert to come to my shop and show us the proper way to do color management for our system.

    Where would I look for such a person?
    Is this something we should look to our rip manufacturer (Screen) for?

    Somebody, please help me find the proper way.

    TIA

    Paul
    Where are you located?

    One bit of advice, read quite a bit before purchasing services, READ EVERYTHING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!! The book real world color management is a decent start, even though they completely miss the boat on some subjects as most books do. Search the web for other sources, color management is convoluted but not that difficult and 98% of what's said is BS specifically when applied to the real world of keeping a shop in the black, (in terms of profit).

    Another good start would be to describe your entire work flow process here so other can advise. I.E. how you receive files, do you create files, what programs, what platform, (MAC & PC) what pre-press applications, RIPS, plate setters, proofers. What types of output work do you do.

    I would add this, anyone who says that color management will make your display, print and proofs match is either blind, untrained, a liar, selling something or all the aforementioned. Color management properly understood and implimented will create an improved repeatable process which can improve profitability. If you apply yourself it doesn't have to cost you a mountain of money, if you already have a system with a service contract that includes calibration for the plate setters many times it's just a matter of reading and then the proper settings.

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    I think this might be Terry's email. You could try to reach him at
    wyseconsul@mac.com
    He is also a Senior Member of Printplanet.com, maybe he will see the posts and contact you.
    Best of luck,
    Pat



    QUOTE=pabney;189121]Ptheobald1
    That link seems to be out of commission. Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]

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    I have been scouring the web reading everything I can, and will look into getting real world color management.

    We are located in Memphis, Tennessee, and have the following workflow.

    Files are supplied to us in whatever form we get. Mostly PDF and Indesign files. We do however receive entire books done in photoshop, or illustrator. We also at times get things in word, excel and even publisher.

    We print everything from business cards and office forms to 7 color brochures. We basically have two types of customers. The ones that don't care about color as long as it looks good. These customers usually don't get contract proofs of their jobs, and just want us to run to the color bars. The other type do care about color and want color proofs on everything.

    Our workflow for a typical job:
    Receive Indesign Files from Customer.
    Open files and change all 17 pms colors used to cmyk using ink mangers convert all spots to process check box.
    Create pdf using preset suggested by Screen Trueflow. (We are using Trueflow ver 7 rip)
    Drop resulting pdf in Equious for ripping and trapping.
    If contract proofs are needed out put them to Epson Stylus Pro 7880 using Oris Color Tuner ver 5.5 Calibrated to Graycol
    Output imposition proofs to Spinjet 4000
    Ater approval, plates are made on FujiFilm Dart 400 S in either 150/200 line screen, or 20 micron randont.
    We are able to match contract color on on our presses with little to no problems.

    So what's the problem?
    Lab colors. I have no idea what to do with them, and neither does the rip. I understand the need to go to a lab workflow, and would like to, but have no clue how to set this up, how to calibrate the rip to convert lab colors properly or even how to convince my production manager that we need to do this.

    Any files we receive in Indesign CS6 of course defines PMS colors in LAB. There is NO way that I can change how our 100+ customers build files. They are going to use pms colors, even when printing is 4/4. So how do I match something that was done last year, that was printed with the 4 color build of 2768 to something supplied this year that defines 2768 as lab? I know that I can convert that to the 4/c builds that printed last year, except for the following:

    This would be a work around the problem and not fix the problem solution.
    I feel the we need to embrace the LAB workflow and short circuit it.
    We have 100's of files and colors that we are talking about not just a few

    Thanks for the responses, and let me know if I forgot anything.
    Paul

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    I'm in Tulsa and could work with you. PM me if you'd like to talk.

    It sounds like you just need a little help with workflow practices.

    I know Terry Wyse, and he is very good, too.

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    Paul, I guess the guy has the close experience is Don Hutchson, because he spent quite some time in RGB workflow. I am not sure why you need such maximum color space and what likely the output media color space is. But he might be able to help, tell him your ball park in budget and expectation. His site: HutchColor, LLC

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    gcplau,
    Not sure what you mean by "I am not sure why you need such maximum color space", I am really just looking for a reliable way to use the new color books in Indesign CS6 that only have LAB definitions.

    However, thanks for the link and I will take a look at the site.

    For everyone else that has offered help, thank you very much I am still looking at those suggestions, but would be glad for any more.

    Paul

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    Paul,

    My 2 cents, at the risk of stepping on a few toes. I think you might be over-fretting about the CS6 Indesign LAB color book. Don't let the hype drive you crazy. Judging by your workflow, you are a typical commercial printshop. LAB color, like RGB and CMYK is a gamut, or range of colors. Unless your are publishing to the WEB, or some sort of 6-color process, you are going to reduce the wider color ranges (RGB and LAB) into CMYK... just like you are now. Color Management well worth learning about, and investing in (even if it is sort of the science of perception) but your task should be to profile your presses and proof devices so they are the best of friends, and possilby to look at workflows for the future. Don't worry. It's OK. (smile)

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