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    I will be very curious to see if there really are some viable Chinese CTP plates at Print '09.
    Rumor has it that there will be a few of them.
    some may be suspect, others may be worth looking at.

    If they (the Chinese) bring their pricing and products to the NA market, then I will be very curious to see how Kodak, Agfa and Fuji fair. As well as the average graphic arts dealer......

    New Report Looks at Chinese CTP Suppliers - Printing Industry News from WhatTheyThink

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    Don't compare a plate with something like a kettle or clothing where the labour element is very high giving plenty of room for savings. The biggest costs with plates is the aluminium itself plus distribution which leaves little room to reduce prices unless there is little or no R&D expense or technical support so you will get what you pay for.

    In real terms the cost of a CTP plate is much lower than it was 10 or 15 years ago and the cost of getting a plate on press even more markedly lower. CTP is now fairly mature so we will see copycat products just like we did in the seventies when presensitised plates became mature but are any of those cheap vendors big names now? Well no, what we have is the big three who plough a lot of money into product development that has given us greener, tougher and more technologically adanced products for today's conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Mackenzie View Post
    I will be very curious to see if there really are some viable Chinese CTP plates at Print '09.
    Rumor has it that there will be a few of them.
    some may be suspect, others may be worth looking at.

    If they (the Chinese) bring their pricing and products to the NA market, then I will be very curious to see how Kodak, Agfa and Fuji fair. As well as the average graphic arts dealer......

    New Report Looks at Chinese CTP Suppliers - Printing Industry News from WhatTheyThink
    Now why is it people always seem to forget there is a Big 4 not three. I don't mean to thrust Konica into the limelight, well yes I do, but Konica Minolta Graphic Imaging has a large variety of Both Thermal and Violet plates on the market today. So lets not forget about little ole us, doing so only proves to be the downfall of the "big three"

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    Hi KMGI...

    As a point of interest,

    Based on recent NPES and Schreiber vendor-supplied data,
    for digital metal plates in the US market, other than the "big 3",
    the "others" all together represented about 13% market share.

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    Steve Musselman, Agfa Graphics - USA,
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveAgfa View Post
    Hi KMGI...

    As a point of interest,

    Based on recent NPES and Schreiber vendor-supplied data,
    for digital metal plates in the US market, other than the "big 3",
    the "others" all together represented about 13% market share.

    Regards,
    Steve, well quite interesting, I am betting within the past few months thats shifting quite a bit...lol...I know I am enjoying taking your accounts away..

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    Hi KMGI:

    I can't discuss material information in a public forum,
    but I can point to our recent Q2 results. One can then
    compare this, to that of others, and draw their own
    conclusions on market share shifts.

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    Steve Musselman, Agfa Graphics - USA,
    Senior Corporate Account Executive

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    Steve, no worries, we all tend to shift from account to account at times, and I did not mean Afga in general, although we have switched accounts a few times over the year as well...it happens, although I am gaining ground on the "other two"... but it helps to have my technical background and then move into sales. 11 years with Konica as a tech and now in sales does prove to be beneficial. Customers tend to like that I have the expertise that I do..but then again I have seen your posts as well, and you too seem quite technical.


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