Xerox 700 or Docucolour 5000

[ian]

We are in the midst of upgrading our equipment and were wondering which machine to buy. Xerox keeps trying to push us the 5000 which now has an option for AP, and on the website I noticed the 700 which works without oil.

We currently have a 6060 and 240.

thanks
ian

[rcreveli]

We are looking at Xerox for B&W and my rep said the 700 was built to compete directly with the Bizhub 6500. I don't know how that will influence your decision but found the information intriguing.

Ray

[BertThePrinter]

The 5000 is more akin to your 6060 and the 700 is a sped up 240. Which machine do you think will pump out more work? The battlefield tank (the 5000) or the lightly armored Hummer (the 700). If I were facing an all nighter trying to get out 20,000+ copies I sure know which machine I would, and did, pick. Go with the 5000 or the 7000/8000, you will not regret it!
Bert

[doubting_thomas]

With the 5000 you'll lose the speed you get from the 6060,
but you'll get the advantages of the 240 print engine, with
improvements. We went from a 2060 to the 5000 and I
couldn't be more pleased with the print quality form start
to finish on long runs. I'd rather have quality over speed.

The learning curve was very small for the upgrade, which
I think was a big advantage. It's a lot like the 2060, only
it works better, and I can keep parts on the floor here to
do some of my own service. I've never used, or demo'd
a 700, so I can't really speak about that machine.

Hope it helps.

[ian]

Thank you for the input everyone...
We ran some samples on the 5000, the print quality was good but it had a couple of issues.
1. Oil differential which starts at 8" from the gripper
2. Fuser marks and streaks
The sales rep told us the samples were run on a client location where the machine wasnt serviced for 2 months and this was the caus of it. The cleaning web was out and he wound it back by hand.
I ran samples of the same files on the 242 and no problems at all except register bounces upto an 1/8" for duplex on coated stocks

Any input on this?? Does the overall quality come close or better to the 240?

thanks
ian

[Craig]

The cleaning web was out and he wound it back by hand.

Sounds like they must pay for their parts! Why would someone do that and then wonder why the quality stinks :0

I would ask for a demo AFTER the press has a PM. Also I was at the Xerox site and it looks like they have a 5000AP now, might be worth a look

[BertThePrinter]

concerning the 5000. The copies should be perfect. There is less than .5mm bounce on 2 sided copies. Are you dealing with an independent rep or Xerox direct. For $100,000, they should be putting on the "Dog and Pony show" for you. You need to see a detailed demo, in a show room, with a qualified presenter. The 5000 is a great machine. Your sales person should be fired. Go over his head, and I bet you will get a lot a** kissing. You sure can't buy any machine based on sample copies provided for you. Go see a real demo
Bert

[ian]

I had more samples brought over today with disappointing results, fuser streaks, coarse gray and blue screens, toner not laying down smooth on the second side.. etc...
Maybe our expectation levels are too high!!!!
It seems the 242 is far superior in quality than the 5000.

ian

[Craig]

I agree with Bert, you are getting samples from a less than perfect press. I have yet to get fuser streaks with our 8000AP, I know it has a different fuser than the 5000, but I have seen the samples from a 5000 at GraphExpo and there were NO streaks from it.

You need to get to a demo after the press has had a PM, and calibrated, who knows maybe that quality (lack of) is acceptable to that customer???

Your expectations should be nothing less than the quality you would expect your customer to see from your shop on any other press! When you are spending that kind of coin Xerox should be doing back flips for you, I know they did for me.

[Radibo]

Hi! We have a Xerox 700 for a week, the printquality is extremely good, sharp printouts and the low-melt toner and not using any fuser-oil, the fast printingspeed 70p/min. the nummerous ways to print on a variety on papers are the main reasons why we have chosen for this printer. Consider the price of a 700 and a 5000, and you can easily put more 700's in your workflow against one 5000, your productivity increases and the double decurler makes your printouts / paper flattener then ever before.

One suggestions: Go to a XEROX showroom, bring some testfiles along and try it on a 700, a 5000 and a 8000 (I ALREADY KNOW WHICH ONE YOU CHOOSE!)

First do a calibration on all of the machines which you want to test and use the same rip-configurations (XEROX, CREO, OR FIERY) use the same profiles and put in the same paper in the tray (same paper and same size). Never let the sampledocuments of XEROX to be your printout-compare sheets: USE YOUR OWN DOCUMENTS.
Check if all the rips you use the same CMYK and RGB workflow uses (check the profiles and the printingraster: use 200C raster, not more ore less).

Edited by: Radibo on Jul 9, 2008 2:41 PM