Xerox 700 or Docucolour 5000

[ian]

Thank you for the input Radibo. How is the registration on the 700. We currently have a 242 but the registration is out to lunch.

amin

[Radibo]

Registration is good, not excellent. We all use mechanical machines, friction, heat etc... It is not a conventional press, it's a printer, but the registrationmarks by double sided printing is good. All of the technicians use a laptop and software to get to a point of satisfaction, usually a difference per side of 1 mm. But when you open your 242, 252, 260 or 700 on the frontside, pull the tray out (the one with the fuserpart etc..) you see on the left the part of the layedge of your paper. You can manually / mechanically rotate this part, look at the screws above and below on top. Usually use one screw to get a quickly result, descrew - rotate, screw and test with one print (double-sided). But you have to do this again for the heaver paper (190 grams and above). 80, 90 100, 120, 135, 150, 160 and 170 grams will have the same result and uses the same layedge.

Notice that all of the mechanics uses the same restriction, this restriction is a area between the 1mm and 2mm per side. When you look at your double-sided print and you have a difference of 1mm per side, this means that the total difference between registration is 2mm and is acceptable for any mechanic: BUT NOT TO US - THE PRINTERS.

So uses the above to put your machine in a good and stable double-sided registration with marks. I have a rather poor difference between the 2-sides: less then 1mm total.

[Craig]

2mm is huge to printers. Our old Canon was +or- 2mm per side:0 that makes for some fancy cutting!

[random]

What is the speed of the 700 like? I hear it drops down to 15ppm for 300gsm 12x18 and the because of the short duplex it is very slow double sideing.

[ian]

2mm is a lot for tollerance.. try running a business card 24up double sided with bleed and tight text and lets see if you client doesent return the order. We a minimum of 3-4 returns a week because of register. Our main business is offset and since we got into digital client expect offset quality and consistancy and of course perfect register!!!!!!
My line to clients is.. our 242 can print really nice.. as good as our press but the registration is out.

Ian

[X33]

the Xerox 700 is not a faster DC240, it's a new model between the DC240 and the DC5000

1. 2400 x 2400 dpi, same as DC240 and DC5000
2. 700 uses EA Toner (offset like output); same as the DC240, vs fuser oil on the DC5000
3. +/- 1.00mm Front to Back registration; same as the DC5000, vs up to 3.0mm on the DC240

[random]

How come the duplex speed is such a secret?

[Craig]

No Secret, just look at the brochure. Duplex is more than likely half the speed of simplex.

Productivity/Print Speeds
· A4 / 8.5 x 11
- 70 ppm (64--176 gsm uncoated)
- 51 ppm (177--256 gsm uncoated)
(106--176 gsm coated)
- 35 ppm (257--300 gsm uncoated)
(177--300 gsm coated)

· A3 / 11 x 17
- 35 ppm (64--176 gsm uncoated)
- 25 ppm (177--256 gsm uncoated)
(106--176 gsm coated)
- 17 ppm (257--300 gsm uncoated)
(177--300 gsm coated)

· SRA3 / 12 x 18
- 31 ppm (64--176 gsm uncoated)
- 22 ppm (177--256 gsm uncoated)
(106--176 gsm coated)
- 15 ppm (257--300 gsm uncoated)
(177--300 gsm coated)

[ian]

I wasnt aware that the DC252 registration tollerance was 3mm.. I was told its only 0.5mm by my sales rep. We are currently waiting for a specialist to respond back to us regarding the registration. Our normal rep told us it is supposed to be 1mm but our machine moves upto 3mm.

ian

[Craig]

Were you supplied with a Customer Expectations Document (CED)? I am not sure if they have them for the smaller machines, but if they do make sure you get yours. It will have all the specs. on the machine and provide fuel for you to go back to your sales rep and say it is not operating up to Xerox's written standards in the CED.