Ricoh C900

[Craig]

WOW excellent report Josh!!!!!
If you had to make the decision today which would you go with? Why?

[random]

Wouldn't worry too much about tray slop if they have registration gates that knock things into position. We have a registration roller and edge detect sensor that adjusts the start point of the write unit.

As for gradients we had problems when the 65 first came out. This ended up being a rip issue rather than a engine issues so should be corrected in service updates.

Disappointed that they are using oil in the fuser. They can't have and obviously don't intend to use polymized toner. I have heard that the prints are less than impressive but this could possibly be down to the inexperience of the operator.

[Craig]

Disappointed that they are using oil in the fuser.

Why? What difference does it make whether a machine uses oil or not? After more than 900,000 prints I have yet to have a customer complain about fuser oil, I just think there is more hype to the polymerized toner, it surely doesn't make a better print, or worse for that matter.
I can see where it makes Random's job easier as far as maintaining the fuser unit, maybe the whole lamination deal so you can use the cheaper film, but the fact that a box uses oil or not does not make it any better, or worse.

[random]

Yeah, didn't you say that 80% of your work goes to third parties not real customers?

[Craig]

So you are telling me a sheet that comes off my 8000AP for another printer in town (who happens to run 4 color Heidelberg's), who in turn sells it to their customer as their own work is not worthy???? That says more about the print quality of the 8000AP than anything you could say about KM's! Your really are just a wrench jockey who doesn't know anything about printing!

I am honored to print for another printer, it tells me they trust the quality and workmanship of my product enough to pass it on as their own. What was the last item you printed for resale, oh that's right you don't own a piece of equipment you just play with someone else's!

[random]

Well no, what I am saying is you don't really print for customers to the same level as others in the forum. For instance I remeber someone on the forum saying that if you were doing photo books 50% of your customers wouldn't be back. These are the customers that REAL pay for print have come in the door everyday. Not friends that will put up with whatever.

Somehow the fact that I go into multiple sites everyday that are producing work for pay for print puts me in better stead than someone like your self who is really living in his own world. It's my job to know about printing sooo umm your sort of out of league here.

But once again you have rail roaded this conversation to being about you again as no one is allowed an opinion other than yours. Please start a thread call 'Im better than everyone here, and here's why' and will join you shortly, I will be the one pouring you a nice tall glass of reality.

This thread is about C900

[Craig]

Again my comment was what difference does it make whether the C900 uses oil or not! If someone likes the device, likes the print that it produces and it fits THEIR needs, who cares whether it uses oil!

YOU Random are the one who needs a reality check, your only solution to everyones needs is a KM6500 or at least a few of them. You are as nonobjective as anyone could be because you are on KM's payroll. The only league you are in is the one for KM tech monkeys with their rose colored glasses, and their KM underwear.

Re-read post #13 of this thread, how is that railroading a conversation? It wasn't about me, it was about all the devices that are SUCCESSFULLY printing with fuser oil vs the minority that don't. Maybe the C900 will be as successful as the rest!

[staylo02]

Good luck with the demo, I have seen these bad boys in action, and was impressed with Ricoh's first step into the production color world. Color seemed stable over long runs. I'm interested in your feedback, since i work for Ricoh. Please post a full report. Thanks.

[smatros]

great report, wish someone did similar job for other machines. One Question though - the official launch date for c900 pro was set to November 28th, as this post has been done 10 days earlier is this a different machine (without a pro tag) or not?

As to what regards fuser oil - been a Xerox user for about 4 years now - wish there was a better way, as we do run into some lamination problems due to toner added oil or fuser oil (basically the same), especially if you don't leave prints overnight before lamination.

[SirPrintsAlot]

The IQ of the C900 will compete with anything out there at the same level. The Xerox 700 doesn't compare to it. If you want to compare the 700 to one of Ricoh's products then look at the pro700ex with the built in Fiery. Who out there knows the history of Ricoh and where the technology came from? Ricoh purchased hitachi and IBM printers a few years ago. They used Hitachi's high end technology in the C900. If you got a bad demo that is the operators fault for not knowing the settings not the machines. If you want a good demo or samples I can get them for you. I will put the C900 up to any machine that is even close to that same price or even above. Please feel free to send me a message about any questions that you may have about this machine. But make sure that before you buy you do get a good demo and good samples. Because I know Xerox is pushing a machine (700) that isn't a true production machine into the production market.