Konica vs Xerox
Konica Minolta 6501 vs Fuji Xerox 700
Hi, I am new to the digital printing indsutry and I am trying to purchase a decent production machine but also at a decent price. I have looked at the KM 6501 and the Xerox 700. Has anyone got any suggestions? Are there other machines out there which are of a similar standard? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
I would type in Konica Minolta, 6501, Xerox, and 700 into the search forms feature. This topic has been covered many time.
The quick answer is go an test your files with your stock and determine what is right for your application.
Just a heads up here for everyone.
Unless you have POSITIVE comments about the X700 DO NOT say anything unless you want to be up for slander.
Konica Minolta tech -
we need to stop arguing about the BRANDS and get down to the actual POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES. If someone wants to say something bad about a Xerox 700, let them...thats the point in forums. Not pointed at your comment UberTech - Just noticed it recently on the forum getting worse - you would think some people here own Xerox or Konica Minolta the way they argue about it in the posts. For one i could start with the negatives:
- Check Reds and oranges across and SRA3 coated sheet (Xerox paper if you wish) and the machine can and DOES fade on the right side. we watched the showroom model do it...its common on a few Xerox machines. Even the Xerox Techs can't sort it.
- Check colour consistency over a run...its not too bad but does move a bit on certain colours.
- Registration...Xerox Techs here confirmed there was an intermitent Fiery problem which caused registration issues
- Lamination...doesn't work that well unless you use silk media or a massive digital laminator
KM6501...i am hoping to get a demo shortly on this one to test it thoroughly. I have seen samples and they were nice. Seems a good machine but can't comment until i get a proper look at it
Last edited by rsands; 02-07-2009 at 03:29 AM.
Actually according your demand sometime you feel Xerox is better and sometime you feel Konica is better.
To answer the OP's question HONESTLY we will need to know more about their application. Mainly what substrates do they intend to run. If they plan on running text weights, then the KM will work fine, I think it will be less than stellar if they are running 220-300gsm cover duplexed all day long.
I have nothing against KM, what I do find irritating is those who think the 6500/6501 is the answer to everyone's problem. Is the Xerox 700? No, it is obviously having issues as well. Every box has it's positives and negatives, your job is to line them up and find the box that fits your niche.
Do yourself a favor, look at ALL the options, not just Xerox and Konica Minolta.
As mentioned, there's lots of information on the forum about the 6501 system 7 and the 700 already.
The OP had another question, should he consider anything else? My opinion is that there is nothing else in the Xerox 700 & KM 6501 system 7 price / performance range, although the Xerox 2xx range is well worth a look if you understand it's limitations.
Of "The Usual Suspects", there is only Canon left and they don't appear to have a directly competitive product (at 14ppm the ImagePress C1 is too slow for many applications). I think the MGI machine is quite a lot more expensive and nothing else (i.e. Toshiba, Sharp, Ricoh) currently makes a competitive machine in this area.
It would be useful to the OP if anyone who knows any different could post here?
I suppose that the OP might also want to take a look at the KM 65HC (High Chroma), which is apparently now released. I'd love to know how people are getting on with these and what applications they are finding that can justify the price hike over the standard machine. If the OP is contemplating photobook printing, I suspect the 65HC might be a a really good fit there.
Finally, this issue of saying that the KM "is good only for text weights" is a little overdone and I think could be a bit misleading to people researching machinery. A 6501 will happily sit there all day duplexing and stacking 250gsm (sorry, I don't know what that is in "American", maybe someone will chip in). 300gsm must go to the top tray, not the stacker and will only run simplex. It will not run at the full 65ppm on heavier weights. A Xerox 7000/AP or 8000/AP will duplex up to 300gsm, and run at their rated speeds, as will the VP versions of the Canon 6000/7000. However please be realistic! These are several times the price of a 700 or a 6501 and the OP did not ask us for a comparison to a machine costing 3-8 times the price! We run a single 6501 at well over 100,000 SRA3 impressions a month and I know we are nowhere near the higher volume users.
And what limitations should we be aware of?
If you're talking about Xerox 2xx machines, just search this forum. There's lots of information.
Originally Posted by xit791
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