Xerox 700 vs. KM 6501 vs. USED 6500

[Londen]

Hi GM Printer,
Which models of Canon and Xerox are you comparing?

Originally Posted by GM PRINTER

Looks similar to what we run. If your looking for a company to grow with Xerox is def it. If your looking to get out as cheap as possible and still get by the KM will work fine but the Xerox will undoubtably be the company to grow with if your looking to expand your printing later. Were looking at Canon and Xerox right now ourselves.

[Brett S]

Two concerns with Xerox- cost and some history. The company I used to work for had xerox- they went after one of our big customers, sold them an in-plant shop AND took one of our employees. They have some history of doing this, of course they say it was done by another division... still the same company. That being said I like there service techs, very good reps in the area, and some of the support programs. The cost difference is huge, it would be a huge jump from where are today- and the other machines.

[GM PRINTER]

Originally Posted by Londen

Hi GM Printer,
Which models of Canon and Xerox are you comparing?

Were currently looking at the 7000VP from Canon and 7002/8002 series from Xerox. We were very impressed with the IGen just not the pricing.

[X33]

Originally Posted by GM PRINTER

We were very impressed with the IGen just not the pricing.

Nobody likes the price of any machine. What about the Return On the Investment?

That is what you should look at. If you don't see a good ROI for your business based on your current and future market, clients, applications, etc ... that's different.

[lfelton]

Originally Posted by X33

Nobody likes the price of any machine. What about the Return On the Investment?

That is what you should look at. If you don't see a good ROI for your business based on your current and future market, clients, applications, etc ... that's different.

X33 is right, ROI is important, purchase price is pretty irrelevant except as it applies to the ROI equation. The trouble for Xerox is that a base price of $600,000 (for an entry level iGen4 in the UK) means that you need a hell of a lot of return before you start to pay for that investment. I see a lot of iGens in banks, where the inplant is a cost centre (and the rapid write down period helps with tax deductables) , but less so out in commercial printers where they have to generate profits. I'm not knocking the iGen4, it's a good machine, I'm just not sure it could generate more profit than (say) 3x 7002s.

[X33]

I've seen business cases where an iGen printing only 100,000 prints a month can turn profits.

I think the key is how valuable are the applications you print.

By now, most people should be able to understand that printing VDP applications (i.e. photo books, transpromo, cross marketing campaigns, etc) is 2,5,10 times more profitable than static applications (i.e. business cards); therefore you can make more profits with less volume.