Xerox DocuColor 5000 versus DocuColor 7002/8002

[Craig]

Folks, I am a Ricoh employee and I'm not promoting the Ricoh product in this string, but have to ask a question ... After reading all the issues you are experiencing with the 5000, why on earth would you consider solving your problem by buying more equipment from the same vendor?

Hope this isn't seen as an insulting question, but it is just baffling to me!

Thanks

I agree 100%!! That's why our Ricoh MP9000 is being replaced with a Konica Minolta 1200!

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....

[ShortRunMagazines]

What kind of volume do you do a week per machine?!?

We do approximately 120,000-160,000 12x18 printed sides per month per machine.

[ShortRunMagazines]

Folks, I am a Ricoh employee and I'm not promoting the Ricoh product in this string, but have to ask a question ... After reading all the issues you are experiencing with the 5000, why on earth would you consider solving your problem by buying more equipment from the same vendor?

Hope this isn't seen as an insulting question, but it is just baffling to me!

Thanks

Because, in this space there are only a few players and every other one has been eliminated:

Ricoh 900/901 -- looks like crap on Gloss Text as there is no (zero/zilch) gloss on the printed area (80%+ of our paper is gloss text)
KM 6000/7000 Slows down to much on higher gsm/coated papers
KM 8000 Costs more than double our currect machine price and click rate is 12% higher.
Canon Imagepress -- three words "CANON FINANCIAL SERVICES" 'nuf said.
HP -- needs to remove their head from the sand (I'm being politically correct, but I'm actually thinking of a part of their anatomy instead) and take a current look at click charges.

[Craig]

"Canon Imagepress -- three words "CANON FINANCIAL SERVICES" 'nuf said."
I take it you had the displeasure of dealing with them too! LOL!!!

The one you didn't mention is Kodak. Also with that volume why have you not gone to an iGen (other than it is outrageously expensive)?

[ShortRunMagazines]

"Canon Imagepress -- three words "CANON FINANCIAL SERVICES" 'nuf said."
I take it you had the displeasure of dealing with them too! LOL!!!

The one you didn't mention is Kodak. Also with that volume why have you not gone to an iGen (other than it is outrageously expensive)?

iGen, now featuring $20,000 in buildout, a monthly payment that would pay for 7 DC5000APs and a click charge that increases my per page cost by 20%+. I know, I know, I get the cheap black clicks (anyone care to do the math on how many black clicks it takes to offset the lease payment increase of $6,000/month when saving $0.004? It's 1.5million if you are wondering...) Oh, almost forgot the added electricity and a monthly insurance payment of almost $500/month (that's just the increase for the machine to our existing policy!).

My view on Kodak... Aren't they operating their business on the front steps of the bankruptcy court? (for convience I hear...)

Canon Financial... Their official position is they wont lease us a Imagepress 7010VP because they seem to think we do not have an account with Xerox. Nevermind the copies of over $100,000 in payments in the last year alone we provided and the little thing called the account number!?! (Overlooking the zero late payments in the 1.5 years we have been with Xerox Capital and the average payment time of something like 13 days from invoice.) They would lease us a used (not refurb) Imagepress 6000 (non VP) with a PG and a down payment of 20%... And, at their own admission, they said we would not be happy with the uptime or quality! But they would love our click volume.... I'm just saying...