Ricoh 651/751

[Iceman]

Hello guys.

Any real user feedback on the Ricoh 651/751?

My printshop is thinking about looking into purchaising the Ricoh and any feedback would be great :-)

Thanks

[PrintTriks]

Yea that's what I'm looking for as well, only thing I got was a demo. Have you gotten a demo yet?

[Iceman]

We are waiting also Mr. Print Tricks.
We got a sales rep with some prints to look at. They looked good and promesing. Somewhat a Indigo/offset look and feel.

Best is to get some feedback from a end user! :-)

[MarkPalmer]

We have a C751EX on order where I'm at, it should be installed and in operation within the next couple of weeks. I will let the forum know how it's working. It's replacing a small Ricoh C700.

-Mark-

[PrintTriks]

Thank you, I would really like to hear your report.

Now as to print quality I have done blind samples with my staff between files printed on the 651 and the 6000. The results are @ 50/50 split with the general consensus that the pictures look better on the konica and text, solids and graphics are better on the Ricoh. Bear in mind the difference in print quality is very small so it is not a night and day difference. The real stand out to me was the speed of the Ricoh and registration (no skewing) of the Ricoh. The 6000 I saw still had the same Skew issue my KM500 does. They really do seem do be built for 2 different purposes, so a lot may boil down to what you print.

[MarkPalmer]

I'm not expecting the type of registration a printing press with a pull guide and actual headstops can deliver, and I think that is still a while off for these types of printers. But from what I have read and heard the Ricoh system is very decent. I'll be going through the training on the C751 from Ricoh, and will then know what it's capable (or not capable) of. I'm at the point now of just hoping for the best.

-Mark-

[Iceman]

For me, the front to back reg. is one of the main issues. I´m printing a lot of business cards and would like to fit them on the max size paper without having the skew out of range. The printsamples i got where outstanding... both in image and large solids where good. As i mentioned... a little Indigo/offset look and feel.

Wil be interesting to hear from you guys when machine is in your floor :-)

Thanks!

[prajna]

I'm curious of two things, if anyone can offer info:

1) What was the "demo" terms - i.e., how long do you have the machine, what is your commitment, do you pay for clicks, are they unlimited, etc.?

2) What are people's thoughts on the single fuser? We currently have a Canon 7000, and worry about units with a single vs. double fuser. Competitors would have you believe the machine will fall apart without the two units.

Thanks in advance!

[PrintTriks]

In the demo I was allowed to run my files and stock as well as some of theirs. Not sure if this answers your question but at the demo I was not limited on clicks are charged and I made no commitment. In my demo I was given a 2 hour window that ended up being 3.5 hours and I could have spent longer.

On the single vs double fuser I have not owned a machine with two, however I have millions of impressions through several Canon Ir's and I assure you they work just fine.

[prajna]

Thanks PrintTriks. I thought the demo you mentioned was a temporary onsite installation. My bad.

We too have many ImageRunners, which yes, have single fusers. My concern was more about production color with a single fusing unit on the Ricoh. I know it has a liquid cooling unit, which sounds intriguing. But a single fusing unit, especially at larger volumes, has me concerned.