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If you saw me arrogant, then I say I am truly sorry for that is not what I wished to convey. The reason I came here to this forum was specifically speak with those who have more experience, hoping that I may learn more than I can read from "Book Learnin' O Wise One."
Yes our print man was a saint. He meant quite a bit to us. I guess he held a soft spot for us since he was an actor back in his youth. Everything, was much better with him. We made partnerships and we advertised for him. He received free tickets for every play. When he died though, that is when all of difficulties began. The reason I guess entitled to certain things is that Charlie never did anything that I or anyone thought was unfair.
To be honest, I was quite hurt from what I read. Duffy implied that I was taking away from his lively hood which is not at all what I wanted.
Instead of finding help I felt like I was being attacked.
For all color projects, when I worked at the school as part of their administrative offices, I was the one teachers went to to have their little booklets created. I was also the one needed to fix and call the maintenance people when I was not enough.
Again, I am truly sorry for what you have felt from the words I have mentioned. You are also right, I am quite ignorant, This is why though I came here when an acquaintance of mine suggested it.
Please though, do not think me so vile as to not care what I have said.
PS. Happy Printer, the nearest big city I live is a minimum of 4 1/2 hours away.
I also do not want to replace a print shop as some of banners and other marketing material still needs to be done at a print shop.
Last edited by URestrepo; 01-17-2012 at 12:00 PM.
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 Originally Posted by airyk
Thanks airyk.
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Something else to consider is that you mention some runs will go to 4000. A digital machine (as all the machines you have mentioned are digital) will be fine for smaller runs, and I can see your thinking in that being able to produce extras there and then will be great for you. However, a run of 4000 would most likely be much cheaper on a litho press. Digital begins to loose its competitive advantage the further you go above a thousand or so, and if you are planning on running 4000 booklets on a digital press, just make sure you check the cost of this compared to outsourcing to a litho shop. You say that you hope the quantities will increase - will the quantities increase so far that your own machine becomes too expensive to run?
Not trying to be negative - just make sure you factor in the costs of higher run digital work. Digital cost per page remains fairly constant no matter how big the run, litho cost per page drops dramatically once the thousands of impressions come in.
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Just to jump in on this, please listen to the advice when they are telling you there is more to it than buying a copier and pressing the green button. I do work for symphonies and theatre's in my area, I know the type of work and the quality that is demanded. If you buy copier and expect pretty sheets to just fall out the other end you are sadly mistaken. Do yourself a favor DON'T listen to the salesman, they WILL tell you ANYTHING to make the SALE and you WILL NOT see them until they need another sale. They will promise the world and deliver a pretty plastic box. Then you will make real good friends with the service tech. As a matter of fact I bet in the first three months you will know everything about him/her and their family, I bet you will even have their cell phone to call after hours for support.
Take your time, do a ton of homework! Know more about that machine than the sales monkey, ask questions you know the answer to and see how honest they are. Once you sign it's like making a deal with the devil!
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i have to say that i agree with most of the printers opinions here. that being said i switched professions about 2 years ago into the printing industry without much knowledge or any background. it has taken all of those 2 years to get to a place where i am starting to get a small foothold on what i am producing and selling. i think the key or way to go about this is to buy your equipment, get training, but don't factor out that there WILL come times where you will NOT be able to produce what is asked of you. so going into this endeavor make sure that you do not discount all the variables, like many said its not just a plug and play scenario. you would not ask one of the many printers here to star in your production, correct? now don't take me the wrong way, you can succeed but you have to be patient and ask for help humbly along the way. now, instead of buying equipment and going through all the hassle why not ask one of the many that have responded to give you a quote? i am SURE there are many that would like to win your business.....just my .02 worth.
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 Good News Everyone
Well, it seems I found perhaps a very good quote. I hope it pans out. I will update everyone if it pans out. I am taking the advice of everyone, well almost everyone. It seems then I will will working with a print shop. We are still looking into the Phaser 7800 to do some things in-house like posters or outreach flyers, invitations to smaller donor events, but our “big” stuff is sent to a printer (Our quarterly magazine, as well as our show programs which are stitched into the program by the printer), rack cards, postcards and season brochure – with brochure and postcards).
Anyone have experience with that printer. Would anyone recommend it? Will it be able to small amounts of postcards and other minor activities, needed for somewhat immediate mailing? The Phaser 7800 will also work as a test run for some of our graphics work. Would registration be that bad for certain posters?
The print shop then can lighten the load we have in the theatre world and the print shop gets regular business. Win win for the both of us.
Anyway, thanks everyone so far for commenting. Sorry if I offended anyone. I know it may have started roughly but hope this can be a good thread.
Last edited by URestrepo; 01-22-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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URestrepo
I think you're going in the right direction. You can still cut your teeth on smaller jobs, but at least you have a back-up on the bigger, more complex / critical stuff. As your in-house endeavours grow and become more ambitious, you will find that you will be wanting more equipment (folding, trimming etc) and each expansion of your set-up can be leisurely evaluated / costed against the benefit, while your printer keeps churning out the deadline stuff. Your dealings with the printer could (should) result in a steep learning curve for you. (Nobody wants to help a know-it-all, but most decent people are only too keen to help someone who really wants to learn). There are MANY decent folk in the printing industry.
Congrats - you're on a win-win road!
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