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Old 05-28-2008, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: Converting CMYK or RGB to Pantone colors?

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Old 05-28-2008, 06:36 PM
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The file looks good John. How did you convert the image to Pantone 158?
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:46 AM
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What Acrobat are using to try to convert the image to cmyk? I only read some responses but if you go in Acrobat 8 under Advanced_Print Production and than convert colors. You can convert the RGB to CMYK and it will hold the true CMYK value without making the image look muddy. We do this all the time and have no problems. Also your question on converting vector cmyk art to a pantone color there is a plug in for Illustrator that will let yo do this.

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Old 05-29-2008, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: Converting CMYK or RGB to Pantone colors?

> {quote:title=dannigd wrote:}{quote}
> Also your question on converting vector cmyk art to a pantone color there is a plug in for Illustrator that will let yo do this.

Hi D and joshuac,

I think (hope? ) you are referring to our plugin range, *[Phantasm CS|http://www.phantasmcs.com/]*. If not, sorry... but here's a simply solution using this software along with Illustrator CS2 and CS3.

I am presuming that the use of Illustrator is an option!

*1)* Drop the PDF into Illustrator (CS2 or CS3 with either *Phantasm CS Designer* or *Studio* installed).
*2)* Select the background image.
*3)* Open *Effect -> Phantasm CS Designer | Studio -> Duotone...*
*4)* Click on the default orange color square to open the *Color Picker* and then, in this window, click on the *Color Swatches* button and select *PANTONE 158 C* followed by *OK*.
*5)* Adjust the color tone's curve in the *Duotone* window to suit - see example below:

!http://www.phantasmcs.com/printplanet/applying_duotone.png!

6) Click *OK*.

This has now ensured that the background image uses only the chosen spot color. This can be proven by viewing separations (Phantasm CS Studio tool) as shown below:

!http://www.phantasmcs.com/printplanet/quick_seps.png!

In this example, I haven't set the black text or lines to overprint, which would naturally be advisable.

However, I would also advise an additional initial stage to improve the contrast of the background image. This will ensure more control of the final tone of the spot image...

In between stages (*2*) and (*3*) follow these steps:

*A)* Right-click (or Ctrl-click on a one button Mac) on the selected image in Illustrator and choose *Release Clipping Mask*.
*B)* De-select all.
*C)* Select the image once more and *Ungroup*.
*D)* De-select all (stages *A* to *D* were due to the file being an imported PDF).
*E)* Select the image (it should now be an un-clipped and un-grouped CMYK image) and select *Filter -> Phantasm CS Designer | Studio -> Desaturate...*
*F)* Tick *Gray Tone* before *OK*'ing. The image should now be a pure grayscale version.
*G)* Open *Filter -> Phantasm CS Designer | Studio -> Levels...* and drag the left and right Input markers to the start and end of the histogram curve. *OK* this.

!http://www.phantasmcs.com/printplanet/applying_levels.png!

Now when you apply a duotone, you will find much more control with the duotone curves. I also found that a higher contrast version looked good when a Black tone was added. See below:

!http://www.phantasmcs.com/printplanet/spot_and_black_duotone.png!

In total, applying all these steps took less than a minute.

I hope this is of some interest,

Nick
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:00 PM
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That sounds like a great plug-in. Can you give similar functionality to Acrobat? I'm not a marketing person, but I would imagine that there are a lot of printers who would love more editing capability in Acrobat. Not all PDF files can be successfully opened in Illustrator. Especially if there are font embedding restrictions. And printers are editing PDF files all day long!
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> {quote:title=joshuac wrote:}{quote}
> That sounds like a great plug-in. Can you give similar functionality to Acrobat? I'm not a marketing person, but I would imagine that there are a lot of printers who would love more editing capability in Acrobat. Not all PDF files can be successfully opened in Illustrator. Especially if there are font embedding restrictions. And printers are editing PDF files all day long!

Hi joshuac,

Cheers for the message. We haven't looked at this yet. The trouble is that there are quite a few PDF editing packages out there, and I'm not sure (a) how successfully this could be added as a plugin into Acrobat and (b) how suited the PDF data is to such changes.

But it's definitely something to consider; I realise that maintaining a PDF workflow would be preferable for many printers.

Best wishes,

Nick
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: Converting CMYK or RGB to Pantone colors?

The easiest and most accurate way to convert Pantone colors to CMYK is to use a TINTBOOK.
You simply select one of over 25,000 actual printed CMYK screen combinations and enter the percentages into the color palette
of any design program you are using. Tintbooks are available in Coated and Uncoated versions. www.tintbooks.com
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Converting CMYK or RGB to Pantone colors?

Duane,

I think the original question was how to go from RGB or CMYK to Pantone...not the other way around.

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Old 06-03-2008, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: Converting CMYK or RGB to Pantone colors?

That's correct. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Still interested in any other tricks or plug-ins anyone has had success with! Speed is of utmost importance, of course.
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Old 10-10-2008, 07:11 PM
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I'm also looking into finding a product that will read in a PDF that contains CMYK values and will output all the CMYK values as Pantone values.

My company buys in Topographical data (PDF) in CMYK, my job is (amongst many others) to re-colour all the CMYK values to Pantone values. Currently I'm using Illustrator CS3 but it so time consuming.

Ideally I would like to find a program that would Batch read in PDF's, and using predertermined values to convert.

Has anyone any idea of a product or company that might be able to help.

I've already tried - Esko and Enfocus.
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