Gordo, good explanation on how this all plays out.
Originally Posted by gordo
And yeah guru, you might not see it but does that mean its not there? Of course it is, look at Carbon Monoxide, you don't see it creeping on you until your falling asleep and a loud noise fills the house.
Now think of this and lets put in another perspective. Just because cows have been shown and proven to expel more greenhouse gases then humans doesn't mean its not our problem. Why are there so many cows in the first place? As described in the articles listed above, the cows are of course bread by humans to produce milk, meat and the like. Meat is highly subsidized in America, which in turns make a push for farmers to produce more cows to get more meat/money which in turns make more cows farting.
Root cause analysis is fun. How can we lessen their emissions? A few ways:
1) Don't breed as many cows (good luck)
2) Harness their gases into something that can be useful (California is already starting to doing this)
California's First Cow Power Project Opened
3) Change the cows genes so they don't fart as much (You'd be surprised, people have thought up worse...)
Americans give up meat? There must be another solution...possibly involving large corks ...or perhaps bovine-grade Beano.
Originally Posted by gordo
more efficient cows? THATS AWESOME!
Originally Posted by meddington
I kid you not - I watched a TV program the other night where some researchers strapped an inflatable bag to cows, plumbed directly to one of their stomachs where the methane was generated, and they collected the gas. Amazing what is done in the name of science these days.
Originally Posted by mattf
Poor cows... looked like a blimp with a cow hanging under it. If I recall correctly, methane is lighter than air, so it's not far off the truth!
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Never did I think I'd learn so much about cows reading posts in PrintPlanet :-) But it IS very interesting!
Maybe everyone should just go back and use a Letterpress?
No electricity required :-)
Although I don't know how environmentally friendly the manufacturing process for them is (was)...
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Issues worth ruminating on.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
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Firstly, I would like to point out that being Carbon Neutral is not a concern of, nor a problem to be solved by any other creature on this Planet save we Humans.
Originally Posted by Green Printer
Which begs the question, why is it that being Carbon Neutral is strictly a Human concern and why are we so different than all the other creatures on the planet?
Which begs another question, has Mankind always been so different from all the other creatures on the planet in regards to being Carbon Neutral?
I don't think so, being Carbon Neutral has only effectively become Mankind's concern and responsibility during the last century.
Was there any business prior to the Carbon Neutral problem, this being a rhetorical question only my friends.
If we are seeking a guide to go by for the answers to our Carbon Neutral problems, we might simply reflect upon what worked for Mankind only a century ago, before this "Carbon Neutral problem" became a problem. Back when Mankind wasn't so different from all the other creatures inhabiting the Planet regarding Carbon Neutrality . Go back in History as far as you need to look.
Despite this fact, which is true for every single one of us. Our complete and unabridged lineages of ancestors, save for the most recent two or three of our Ancestors and of course ourselves. In essence, had always existed in a Carbon Neutral way, never ever raising this issue. This lifestyle, our own forefathers enjoyed, has nowadays become an unthinkable horror, an obscenity in so few generations
If this was good enough for my own Ancestors, just a few generations back, is this good enough for Me? I mean along with all that Mankind has learned in the intervening Century which my Ancestors had yet to learn?
Am I willing to wager the future of the Planet's ecosystem's, while representing all the other species on the planet that are unable to cast their own votes? Just as most U.S. Congressman, acting in their own behalves typically do? Simply because we are not willing to live our lives as the vast majority of our very own ancestors had? Despite the fact that we are equipped with all this knowledge that we've acquired over and above our own Great Great Grandparent's?
In summary, if we all become willing to live just as our own ancestors had, the rest is a piece of cake! The knowledge we possess over and above our Ancestor's will make our lives seem effortless in comparison to their's. Just to be clear, I mean to include the human population differences that exist between us and our ancestor's as well.
For what it's worth.
The greatest money making scam ever. Bernie Maddoff got caught. Will the carbon traders be next.?
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Last edited by Green Printer; 03-28-2009 at 07:24 AM.
this is going too far. people have gas. you should see how much gas I create after eating too many donuts. made from sugar & flour. lets tax my flatulance. and give the money to a windmill so I can pay more for windpower than nuclear. they want to regulate dust emission on the farm now. so as the dirty flies up while planting we have to find away to make the dust fall back to the earth with out being breathed in by anyone nearby. you know what, its a farm the only one around is the guy planting. where will this crap(pardon the usage) stop. I can see making things more efficient, I can even see collecting animal waste in enclosed facilities and generating electricity (my cousin does this already) but taxing cow flatulance whats next. giving tax money to banks I guess. when did i move to crazy world. you know I have been in wisconsin and they have a few cows and no smog. in fact most of wisconsin is very clean and nice. the problems are in the cities where the cars, and manufacturing are located. if the environmentalist keep it up we wont have any food to eat. how are you going to eat when we cant grow corn, wheat, rice, lettuce, potatos. what do you think that make fertilizer from, It used to be manure, not anymore they use oil to make anhydrous. I sure hope the evironmental people are using Ethanol in their hybrid. the hybrid with petroleum based tires. petroleum based plastics.
I like steak, cheese and milk. if you don't, thats fine but don't tax my cow.
My cousin does sell his carbon offsets for the methane digester. what a scam.
Two words. Good luck.
Originally Posted by otherthoughts
Our society is not based upon a mindset of going backwards in terms of advancement and technology. The whole idea of society is to advance in thought, process, mechanics and the like. We advance these ideas so our society might become a better place.
Classic example: If we lived like our ancestors we would be living only to our 40's and marrying at 13. Not saying its wrong, but its a different mindset. Our life expectancy now is from 70's-80's and society as a whole wishes for a longer and healthier life. There is a reason before the industrial revolution there was only a few hundred million people on this world. Technology was not there to help us along in our daily lives as well as our well being. We only had a small grasp of what it could do, and today we have broadened that concept to feats my father and his father could not even imagine.
Moving backwards to "what works" will not solve what must be done. We have done the damage and we have created this society in the way it was shaped. We have to keep moving forward to insure our children and their children have a world that is liveable, sustainable and ripe for generations to come. Going backwards will only cause new problems, just like going forward will as well. I'd rather create something new and exciting that will help the world move forward in its advancement then go back to the stone ages.
Political views and mindsets have to change, and I think they will with this new administration. Granted, its the same people who ran the government back in the 90's, but the ideas that people want to hear and wish to interact with are changing. Lets just hope it changes for the better.