XL105 Ink

[Neil Meggitt]

I read about this press a while back and think it really is the way forward. As mentioned registration is handled in the same way as heatset webs so no problems there. Other advantages are that because you're buying reels of paper and not sheets you're saving money on the mills cutting it for you and you can also run a much thinner substrate that you can on sheetfed presses as you have no feeder. I would also imagine this is only a 2 man operation as well. Inks pump fed, so just an assistant to change reels and offer a helping hand. Also as the press doesn't need a dryer/oven no need for mains gas supply or planning permission for an afterburner. I'd love the chance to have a go on one of these but they've not been out long so a bit of a rarety.

p.s. no I don't work for Goss lol

[Erik Nikkanen]

Probably the same way the heatset M600 registers. It's really a web press with a sheeter, and they replaced the dryer with an anti setoff unit. Very interesting indeed.

Bret

Having a sheeter on a web press is not new. There was even one on a commercial newspaper press in about 1865. It ran at 12,000 sheets per hour with later versions running at 30,000. It printed on both sides and folded the sheet.

The Goss idea may be interesting but is limited. What really has possibilities is the variable print repeat length presses with a sheeter. That would do what sheetfeds do now. Produce print sheets of different lengths. Goss's concept can not run different print repeat lengths.

Drent-Goebel's VSOP press concept, which it has unfortunately sold to Muller Martini, due to D-G's bankruptcy, could change its repeat length in minutes by means of interchangeable sleeves for the plate and blanket. With a speed of 500 meters per minute, it would be able to put out a lot of print. D-G had the concept of having a sheeter on its VSOP press with the aim of replacing sheetfed presses, written up in their house magazine about five years ago.

I think it is the future. There are so many advantages to having a web press. Even the digital presses are going to webs.

[Robert Tubbs]

Not wanting to stray away from the question of a press that runs at 18 000 iph but what ink does Goss recommend for the Goss M-600 Folia? This press uses sheetfed inks with a claimed top speed of 30 000 iph. GOSS M-600 Folia

I bet this is done with Amerikal's THINK Technology.

[M.NOMAN]

Any one having experience regarding lmq ink by sunchemical?

[Coastline]

Hi Herbert,

It's definitely worth trying a couple of different ink sets, all the major manufacturers make good and not so good sets depending on your needs. As mentioned in other posts, the Saphira inks are from Flint, which we used to hold in high regard but found that some of their sets suffered a while back when their product names were "updated" to include words such as Supreme. Flint do still make some good ink sets, but unfortunately you can't tell what you're getting when there's a Saphira label slapped on the front.
With regards to Sun Chemical inks, their Diamond set is quite basic; you should look at something like Exact.
We have been very impressed with the performance of the Stehlin inks and these are now our go to inks, so these are definitely worth a try.

Hi All

We have just purchased a Heidlelberg XL105 and are torn between two ink vendors.

Heidlelberg are insistant we must use their ink to acheive the 18000 sheet per hr and get better general performamnce. We as a company are wanting to use Sun Chemical 'Diamond' Inks, but Heidelberg state we will not get the required performance from the new press if dont use their ink.

Any information would be of great help.

[M.NOMAN]

Any one have knowledge about lmq ink by sun chemical?