2 in 1 fount

[Bigbadlee]

Hi there,

We have recently been approached by a rep who was singing the praises of a product called 2 in 1 fount by BMM Print. At the moment we run a 5 col SM74 using a Technotrans Beta D unit. Chemically we are using Saphira soft fount at 3% and IPA at 7.5% with a conductivity of around 1200. We also have a well maintained RO unit. I am considering giving it a trial but I would appreciate anyone comments or experience of this product.

As a last note, we are not having any problems on the press

Thanks

[Albert Noel]

well, if it isnt broken...

[Bigbadlee]

well, if it isnt broken...

I hear what you're saying but reading the data sheet on this makes it sound like the Holy Grail! Less water, less ink, sharper dot, higher gloss and cleaner impression cylinders. I was just hoping for some feedback from people who've used/are using it.

[Albert Noel]

actually, i would love to hear how this turns out because we've been having trouble with the fuji/anchor products we currently use and i would LOVE to find something to replace it with, especially if it's the holy grail

[nhprinter]

Hi Big,

First of all I'm always surprised to see how many people on these forums are still using Alcohol. We stopped using it in this area about 10 - 15 years ago. Even when we did use it we only ran 4% max.

With that said........For what it's worth.......I remember when we made the switch to an alcohol sub we were told to do it at the same time we changed our dampening rollers. You might not see the benefits of the new solution with older harder rollers.

Good Luck,
Dave

[Bigbadlee]

We've booked the guys from BMM Print to come in at the begining of February. They've promised me a pain free change over (yeah right!) with minimal tweaking on-press. I have to be honest and say one of the reasons we decided to try this fount was the increases in dampening through the shifts. We would start at around 18% on a morning and this would rise to around 40% by 11.00pm. Having never used the Alcolor system before I was wondering if this is normal. The press is running at 12-13,000 all day.

[Albert Noel]

you're quite lucky, we can start at 55-60% depending on the unit and and be as high as 80% at the end of the day. (which i'm sure is a fault of the anchor product)

are you in north america or somewhere else?
i wouldnt mind giving this stuff a shot if my other options dont work out

[Bigbadlee]

We are in England where the water is quite hard, although having an RO system makes this irrelevant. We are using Heidelberg Saphira Inks also (they came as part of the new buy pack) and we found them very good. Apparently the rep for Inkland (the outlet for 2 in 1 fount) said they tested the fount in 10 print companys around the area and everyone has ordered it.

BMM Print have a website, here it is:

http://www.2 in 1 fountain solution. co. http:www.2in1fountainsolution ://2and1fountainsolution uk http://bmmprint.co.uk http//www.2in1fountainsolution.com; http://wwwbmmprint.co.uk http://www2in1.com http://wwwfountainsolution.com http://wwwfountain

[Alois Senefelder]

Hi Bigbadlee, Not true !!!! there are soft water areas in the UK (North of England)

Since the time of the 1st Crusade including "Indiana Jones" Lithographers have been looking for the "Holy Grail" regarding "Dampening Fluids" --- by all means give the 2 in 1 a trial -- but if you are not having "Problems" just stay with your present Fountain Solution.

Regards, Alois

[Bigbadlee]

Hi Bigbadlee, Not true !!!! there are soft water areas in the UK (North of England)

Since the time of the 1st Crusade including "Indiana Jones" Lithographers have been looking for the "Holy Grail" regarding "Dampening Fluids" --- by all means give the 2 in 1 a trial -- but if you are not having "Problems" just stay with your present Fountain Solution.

Regards, Alois

Well Alois, we are based in the north of England and our water supply is quite hard. You'll probably find that softer water is found in the south of England. However this is not a hard and fast rule.

We have to put our water through a softener before the RO filter otherwise we would have to change it very frequently.

Cheers