P A N T O N E Thoughts on 9/11

[GazKL440]

Maaaaaate.....123 has always been easy.

Be it the colour or the countin bro.....IMHO only the true numpties have an issue with either.

Thanks for comin

[D Ink Man]

It has been 1 year and 1 day. We now have Pantone+. The issues have not changed. Pantone proclimated this new guide came equipped with more balanced ink films. Unfortunately, not true. Pantone 123 C and Pantone 123 U, same story as before. Starvation versus paint job. Someone was not listening.

[D Ink Man]

Time has passed.

Facts:
1) Pantone 123 still exists in it's legendary form.
2) GOEing, GOEing, Gone!
3) Pantone Plus has been born.

Thoughts?

[D Ink Man]

Still thinking gentlemen.

D

[GazKL440]

It's been what.... 2 years since we had this discussion D?

Fortunately in that time I could count on one hand the amount of spot colours I've printed since then and PMS 123 has not been one of them

My argument hasn't changed with regards to the original issue though: on coated stock or uncoated stock the ink stays the same, just a higher density is required on uncoated paper and regardless it is visually slightly different. As I mentioned way back when we last discussed this, I believe it's the reflective and absorption qualities of the stock that gives us a different appearance.

However it's *possible* that they run a different mix in the PMS charts: just HIGHLY unlikely!!

My 2c

[D Ink Man]

It's been what.... 2 years since we had this discussion D?

Fortunately in that time I could count on one hand the amount of spot colours I've printed since then and PMS 123 has not been one of them

My argument hasn't changed with regards to the original issue though: on coated stock or uncoated stock the ink stays the same, just a higher density is required on uncoated paper and regardless it is visually slightly different. As I mentioned way back when we last discussed this, I believe it's the reflective and absorption qualities of the stock that gives us a different appearance.

However it's *possible* that they run a different mix in the PMS charts: just HIGHLY unlikely!!

My 2c

It wasn not suppose to be an argument. It was suppose to be a revelation.

Pantone+, no different.

I cannot put a value on this, but I promise it is worth more than 2c.

D

[arossetti]

This was a comical read. Thank you Sir.

[D Ink Man]

Pantone 123 Degradation.doc

D Ink Man

[meddington]

Can you describe where these CIELab values came from? They are labeled as PMS123, but they plot as a slightly casted grey...quite far from the Pantone+ published Lab values. Just curious.

[D Ink Man]

meddington,

This is a very good question. I can see by your reply that you are a man of color.

The CIELab values came from a proprietary laboratory using an older model spectrophotoneter.

To cross check my posted evaluation and results, I will be performing the identical measurements on a state of the art spectro in the not too distant future. When I have captured that data, I will reply with a second attachment showing all the readings that were performed on (Pantone 123 Degradation.doc) utilizing the newer spectrophotometer.

Thank you for your interest and please stay patient as I execute the aforementioned.

D Ink Man