Lotem and Trillian plates paper

[margadri]

Paper between Trillian plates doesn't gets carried together with the plate and doesn't get discarted, jamming the plates before getting into the drum (see previous thread in PrintPlanet)
Lotem 800 and Trillian
Kodak changed everything without any results.
Now the problem is on all A1 plates 1030x800 1130x900
Kodak changed registry values, tweezers and even grounded the machine.
Kodak then blamed the paper between plates being upside down (waxy side up instead of down)
3000 plates later the paper is still the same side as always been
Kodak then made us install a humidifier to keep humidity at 45>50% and $5000AUD later the problem worsened instead of improving.
Never had problems before.
We are forced to babysit the Lotem taking the sheets of paper manually.
I don't think this is very productive, is it?
Does any of you has ever had this problem?
Kodak seems having no clue on what to do next and we are getting very frustrated
Thank you in advance

[PACH]

Paper between Trillian plates doesn't gets carried together with the plate and doesn't get discarted, jamming the plates before getting into the drum (see previous thread in PrintPlanet)
Lotem 800 and Trillian
Kodak changed everything without any results.
Now the problem is on all A1 plates 1030x800 1130x900
Kodak changed registry values, tweezers and even grounded the machine.
Kodak then blamed the paper between plates being upside down (waxy side up instead of down)
3000 plates later the paper is still the same side as always been
Kodak then made us install a humidifier to keep humidity at 45>50% and $5000AUD later the problem worsened instead of improving.
Never had problems before.
We are forced to babysit the Lotem taking the sheets of paper manually.
I don't think this is very productive, is it?
Does any of you has ever had this problem?
Kodak seems having no clue on what to do next and we are getting very frustrated
Thank you in advance

"Paper between Trillian plates doesn't gets carried together with the plate and doesn't get discarted,"
Did you mean that the paper sticks to the underside of the plate and is carried towards the drum?
The correct humidity is very important in the room(50-60%)
I presume there is plenty and strong air is beeing blown into the cassette when the plate is lifted
Also when the plate is lifted it is bent backwards at least 3 times.
It looks to me like too much statick is put into the paper during manufacturing.

[margadri]

"Paper between Trillian plates doesn't gets carried together with the plate and doesn't get discarted,"
Did you mean that the paper sticks to the underside of the plate and is carried towards the drum?
The correct humidity is very important in the room(50-60%)
I presume there is plenty and strong air is beeing blown into the cassette when the plate is lifted
Also when the plate is lifted it is bent backwards at least 3 times.
It looks to me like too much statick is put into the paper during manufacturing.

Thank you for replying
Sorry I wasn't clear enough.
Static has been checked and copper wires have been used to ground the plates.
Also there is plenty of air flow
Humidity was the main concern but we installed a humidifier and humidity is now 50%
Any more and we melt down. In Australia it gets pretty hot in summer and the humidifier blows an awful lot of steam out.

[Joe]

Not seeing it here but we don't have a Lotem. We do have an autoloader that picks up the plate but the paper stays on top of the next plate and does not stick to the bottom of the plate being taken out. Our plates are manufactured in the USA I think while I assume yours are from China. I wonder if they use a different kind of paper than what are used for our plates.

[PACH]

Thank you for replying
Sorry I wasn't clear enough.
Static has been checked and copper wires have been used to ground the plates.
Also there is plenty of air flow
Humidity was the main concern but we installed a humidifier and humidity is now 50%
Any more and we melt down. In Australia it gets pretty hot in summer and the humidifier blows an awful lot of steam out.

When you open a pack of plates, take out the top one and try and lift the paper up. If it sticks to the plate it is definitely the static in the paper.
Take the cassette out and lift the cover and push it back again. Load a plate from the Loading System to Punches and watch what happens . As I said before watch if the plate is bent back wards about 3 times and the air is blown underneath. I presume at this stage the paper is taken with the plate. Do you keep your plates in the same room as the Lotem?
If you do not get anywhere I am afraid that you will have to try different plates.

[margadri]

When you open a pack of plates, take out the top one and try and lift the paper up. If it sticks to the plate it is definitely the static in the paper.
Take the cassette out and lift the cover and push it back again. Load a plate from the Loading System to Punches and watch what happens . As I said before watch if the plate is bent back wards about 3 times and the air is blown underneath. I presume at this stage the paper is taken with the plate. Do you keep your plates in the same room as the Lotem?
If you do not get anywhere I am afraid that you will have to try different plates.

Yes we keep the plates where the Lotem is.
We have the lid of the tray open since we had to hold the paper down and remove it manually.
Kodak techs don't see anything wrong during the loading.
Hi Joe. Good to hear from you.
The plates are coming from China

[RickLee]

we had a similar problem when the machine was first installed. It was a used machine but in very good condition.

The slip sheets would either not get picked up or would not fully go down the chute. The pinch nip pads were finally replaced and adjusted. These pads are on the fingers that pick up the sheet and carry it to the rollers.

before the replacement kodak did numerous things with cleaning and adjustment. We got the same comment about the wax on the sheet.

we no longer have this issue.

[PACH]

we had a similar problem when the machine was first installed. It was a used machine but in very good condition.

The slip sheets would either not get picked up or would not fully go down the chute. The pinch nip pads were finally replaced and adjusted. These pads are on the fingers that pick up the sheet and carry it to the rollers.

before the replacement kodak did numerous things with cleaning and adjustment. We got the same comment about the wax on the sheet.

we no longer have this issue.

The problem Down Under is paper sticking to the plate, and not that it is not being picked up, so it is not a twizzers problem.

[RickLee]

so let me get this straight. the tweezer did not pick up the paper and move it to the chute. The paper continued to with the plate and went on to the drum. and you think that this is not a tweezer problem???

I do wonder about the people on this forum. I have tried to helps several times and the attitude that everyone has is incredulous.

I think I will just read about everyones problems from now on.

[PACH]

so let me get this straight. the tweezer did not pick up the paper and move it to the chute. The paper continued to with the plate and went on to the drum. and you think that this is not a tweezer problem???

I do wonder about the people on this forum. I have tried to helps several times and the attitude that everyone has is incredulous.

I think I will just read about everyones problems from now on.

RickLee, read the original posting and then you can do some "wondering"!

Paper between Trillian plates gets carried together with the plate and doesn't get discarted, jamming the plates before getting into the drum (see previous thread in PrintPlanet)
Lotem 800 and Trillian
Kodak changed everything without any results.
Now the problem is on all A1 plates 1030x800 1130x900
Kodak changed registry values, tweezers and even grounded the machine.
Kodak then blamed the paper between plates being upside down (waxy side up instead of down)
3000 plates later the paper is still the same side as always been
Kodak then made us install a humidifier to keep humidity at 45>50% and $5000AUD later the problem worsened instead of improving.
Never had problems before.
We are forced to babysit the Lotem taking the sheets of paper manually.
I don't think this is very productive, is it?
Does any of you has ever had this problem?
Kodak seems having no clue on what to do next and we are getting very frustrated
Thank you in advance