Best Booklet Maker

[CSimpson]

Originally Posted by fire11

I'm in a very similar position and am stuck comparing two very capable machines. Can anyone give me any particular things to look at, check out or compare? We do some traditional short-run work from our color copiers, medium runs from copiers and presses and have several orders in-house right now for 20-50M and even have one order in-house right now for 100M, although those are not as common for us. Anyone have feedback for me, please? We'll be making our decision in the next two weeks and will be buying one of these for sure so I'd love to hear any thoughts!

I am comparing the same machines and this is where I am at in my evaluation process. Both machines are ultra reliable and apparently both feed systems work great.

Horizon Pro's
I like that the trimmings can go in a paper box instead of a dedicated box within the machine that you have to dump. I is just easier to kick the box out of the way and put an empty one down.
The large full color LCD is much nicer than Duplo's small mono-color display.
I like that corner stiching goes to the conveyor, and I beleive it can corner stich a greater amount of sheets than the Duplo.
I like that the stich heads move instead of the guides. I kinda think this will create a more accurate stich but I have seen nothing to actually prove that.

Duplo Pro's
It is quieter than the Horizon.
The paper path is all at the top of the machine, so it will be easier to remove jams on this machine.
Similar configurations tended to be several thousand dollars less than the Horizon.
You cannot crash the machine by forgeting to remove guides when changing set-ups because there is nothing to remove or add on the Duplo. For me, this is probably the deciding factor.

Overall I do not think you can make a bad choice when evaluating these two machines. I think it comes down to which fits your shop more though feature and familarity of brand, which dealer are you more comfortable with when it comes to service, and if your interested in adding additional feature in the future like an inline SCC, single sheet insertion, or tabbing for mailing purposes.

[fire11]

Thanks so much for your help CSimpson! I've found many similar things in carefully reviewing them and getting information from a variety of sources. My initial conclusion was that the Horizon was noisy and "mechanical-sounding" which couldn't be good long-term...but people say they're ultra-reliable. Also, while they have very different approaches to moving paper into the machine, they both seem to do it very quickly and reliably...which is the key to much of this. It looks like the Duplo is a little more affordable in it's complete model but the Horizon seems to have many more options to configure the machine to do particular jobs a bit better or more efficiently. Most of this appears like minor variances and can't wait to see how the bids come in...either way, we're going to be 1000 times better off with either one of them!

Any other ideas, gang?

[CSimpson]

What did you wind up getting? Are you happy with it?

[fire11]

CSimpson,

Thanks for your very timely follow-up on this thread. We received shipment of the machine on Monday morning and finished training on it yesterday...what a fast and furious week it's been! We got the Horizon system with two of the Vac-100 towers, the SPF-200A stitcher, FC-20 face trimmer, LC-200 long exit conveyor and PK-30 batch kicker and are extremely pleased. For us, this one came down to price since we're a state agency and this was a competitive bid situation. I know that usually Duplo will win a price war but each market is a little different and two vendors in a small market is healthy for us all. I think that we clearly got the better machine for our needs in the long run.

When comparing these machines, take a close look at them running a variety of jobs, the easy ones and the hard ones, long runs and short ones. Consider that they'll all break so what's the servicing company's ability to provide service...but also how easy is it to troubleshoot the machinery. I think that the Horizon system has the clear lead in operator maintainability, software support and planned upgrades as well. As an example, the Duplo comes with one blade and it takes a service call to change it for sharpening...whereas the Horizon comes with two knives, your operator can easily change it and send it to your sharpener. To me, this seems like they're better prepared for me to be productive in the long run.

Yesterday morning before the trainer arrived for the second day of training, my operator setup and started running a job that took him a full week on our old friction-fed Duplo unit and it was finished before lunch so we're very pleased! After lunch, he ran a collating job that had 19 sheets of specialty stock and was 4CP on all...a job that the old machine would have taken two passes, a hand-gather and would have marked up the edge of every sheet so it was a very good day for us!

If you've got specific questions or concerns about it, I'd be glad to discuss them and wish you the best of luck with your decision. Also, I'd highly recommend a quick trip to Horizon's demo facility in Andover, MA. We went there for a one-day demo and were blown away by their product line, eagerness to earn our business, commitment to the market and entire operation so I'd highly recommend that as well!

Good luck,

Chuck

[Ironside]

Fire11

I am looking at the same machine, although I received pricing on the Bourg BME and the Duplo 5000. I guess looking at the machines my inclination is to go with the Standard same config you got. However trying to come to terms with the folding quality. Any issues achieving a good fold? I ran a sample job on one about a year ago and the operator didn't know how to increase the folding pressure, I hate the pillow in the fold. The BME has some sort of feature that deals with this but I am not completely sold on CP Bourg, a much smaller company and I do have some concerns about machine service, reliability so on.

The duplo machine I demo'd in the show two years ago, nice machine but didn't seem as rugged as the standard.

Its been about a month since your last post and wanted to see if you are still comfortable with your decision.

Thanks