Prinergy vs Trueflow

[billn]

Any comments one vs the other?

[dudi]

Prinergy Is the Answer!

Better interface, better engine, much better APPE. Prinergy can be modulated and set up according to your specific need.

[ansoft]

Trueflow is the Answer!
The best workflow is what you know best!

[dudi]

If you say a lie many times holy will believe it at the end. Good luck with true flow, it seems that you never saw prinergry.

[kaiserwilhelm]

Yes, I have seen Prinergy. I have also seen Ferrarri's. I can afford a Corvette at best. I pay $2,500 a year for tech support and $12,500 for support on my four up platesetter and three drawer auto loader. PLEASE, try and do that with four times the cost on Prinergy?? Maybe, I am all wet. I just know what I saw $$ wise five years ago.
We produce 100 plus proofs a day out of TF. It has its drawbacks. There are some KEY things that Prinergy does better. However, if you just need to take a lot (200K for us so far) plates to press....well, TF is just fine.

[dudi]

Agree with you that prinergy is Ferrari however the price can be customize and grow according to your business needs, saying that prinergy EVO is the equivalent to TF in price and ease of operation, saying that EVO can provide higher added value to the end user with full connectivity to CtP and workflow management. My recommendation. Is to check prinergy EVO 5.2 with the latest APPE 2.1. Yu will have cheaper service and cheaper package.

[macphenom]

Hopefully Kodak will be around to support Prinergy in the future. Stock is now at $1.14 a share. Just sayin.

[margadri]

Hopefully Kodak will be around to support Prinergy in the future. Stock is now at $1.14 a share. Just sayin.

Prinergy (before Kodak) has had so many owners, it will not mind another.
I don't know much about other systems, but Prinergy is fantastic.
I still have to find something that Prinergy can't do.

[kaiserwilhelm]

Kodak came to our business and, to be quite honest, the sale was theirs to lose. EVERYONE from management on down wanted it. Then, we started the a la carte crap. I would look at the "menu" and ask for C....ok, that was $35,000 additional. We would go another five minutes and one of the engineers would then chime in that they "forgot" that "C" absolutely required "G" which was $5,000 and really, was quite worthless without "k" that was another $7,500
I believe we hit over $400K when we were done. I bought my TF with a brand new plate maker and multi drawer for under $200K. I can invent a LOT of nifty ways of doing things for $200 plus K!
Also, the maintenance. Again, I pay about $14K a year for my multi cassette, plate maker, and TF telephone support.
I have nothing against Kodak. I simply wanted a price that they turned it ALL on. The a la carte was ridiculous.

[dudi]

Hi kaiser,

There is some truth in your saying, however this happen long during Creo time.

The prinergy comes with basic function and some are lack as batch groping that is an option. However it comes with a fully integrated pagination system, virtual proofing, dashboard, preflight and data base that can be integrated with almost any MIS.

The price need to be customize by your sales guy that need to provide you with the best solution that meet your financial needs.