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    D Ink Man is offline Senior Member
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    Default Heidelberg versus Komori ?

    To all please who have knowledge on this subject; people who have reserched the dynamics of the presses, experienced the operational usage of each press, people who have direct experience with them I ask: If cost were no object and you were allowed to buy the best press for a multitude of reasons, which press would you buy? The only stipulation would be that the press be a 40 inch, 6 unit press with an aqueous coater. Please explain why you buy one or the other. Being specific as possible to why you would choose one or the other is greatly appreciated. I am trying to learn, which we enable me to do my job better. Thank you everyone in advance for your replies. Heidelberg or Komori?

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    canadian printer is offline Junior Member
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    Ran Both presses. Komori prints well but Heidelberg in my books is far more user friendly great support and will attract more pressman. Komori is cheap but you get what you pay for.Heidi XL is the cream of the crop prints a awesome no marking fast MR to run. I run a Komori now and not a day goes by that I think of my old Heidi.

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    If money is no object, why did you leave KBA out of the discussion ? BTW, I recently had a customer tell me there is two things he considers when buying a press : How reliable it is, and How much it costs.
    Every printer has different criteria.

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    Cornishpastythighs is offline Senior Member
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    We have Heidelbergs and a new Komori. Komori is as one person said the cheaper of the two but I have to disagree that it is a 'cheap press' We have found the Komori good value for money. We researched all the major press makers before buying the Komori but money was an important part of our decision as the Komori was a couple of million less than a Heidelberg 105 or a KBA. Our research told us that in fact the KBA was a better press than both of them for our type of packaging work but it was also the most expensive so you do get what you pay for.

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    Mike LaForest is offline Member
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    I have run Heidelberg (18yrs) and Komori (12yrs)both have benefits and draw backs
    Price goes to Komori (more bang for your buck)
    Heidelberg holds color better , but Komori prints a better dot!
    Komori's deliver better at higher speeds , but as everyone here has said it comes down to preference!
    Heidelberg service and attention to detail is legendary but in the last few years that has also changed .
    Currently we have 3 Komori's... hope that muddies the water even more

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    If money were no option i would be placing an order for a XL today. My personal opinion is that the heidelbergs print a much sharper dot, but a komori can usually run alittle fast. for the market my company is in, quality is more important that quantity. However teh new XL's should make up the quantity gap.

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    We were a Heidelberg house and had 6 Heidelbergs (1-6+coater). We replaced them with 2 new Komori's (10 color perfector & a six color), both with coaters. We now have more capacity than we had with the previous presses. We have now won the most best of category awards (11 & 13) in our PIA region for the past two years. If the Komori couldn't print excellent and be reliable, we couldn't have done this. Of course we have excellent personnel, but the quality of the machine is also very impressive. So, for paying $1.3 million dollars less than Heidelberg, we received great equipment and produce an excellent product.

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    Mitsuguy is offline Junior Member
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    It is easy to see by my user name that I am a Mitsubishi employee. If you are looking at quality and production you should open your minds to more than the 2 companies you have talked about. I have complete knowledge of both and they are good machines. I know the thread is labeled Heidelberg vs. Komori but I had to pipe up. In the market we are currently in you should look at all options. At Mitsubishi we have several options that really work. If you are a shop that only prints 4/4 you can run a machine that is dedicated for that market. If you need coating over coating we can also do that. If you are a shop that needs to have the option of running 8 colors straight on your press than we also have a convertible type press. As for dot reproduction the Japanese companies will always produce a better dot. All that plus our machines don't have the need to be limited for press speed when in the perfect mode (16,200 sph in straight or perfect). If you really want a true comparison check out all your options.

    Tom

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    Funny how things are different on your side of the pond . In Europe Komori is the more expensive press and here people who buy Komori think it is worth the extra buck... But to be honest both are really top presses so it comes more down to the facts like service and other side stuff. I have no currant info on the speeds of the 40" machines but in the B2 (4up) size Komori is definately the more productive machine because of it's very fast job to job changing (I know that there is a better word for that but I hope you got the point.

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    Heidelberg but only because money is no option, so who cares how many million i must print per month just to pay the service agreement HAHA!
    Komoris are good presses too. I recently saw one on the way to 300 million with only routine maintenance and it would go from a fine screen to a solid to anything you like with nothing more than a washup.
    But the Heidelbergs are built to a standard, and if i could trade in the shitohara press im running now to go back onto a heidelberg i would do it


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