Then sadly this is not an instance of finally convincing a new prospect. It is more like an old ally landed in the right job position and is able to help.
Indeed this just shows how difficult it is to get new ideas moving forward in this industry.
Again, my best to you,
Exactly. At this point, the effort will be to get as much benefit out of the technology as possible for this packaging printer and make the results public. Success changes everything.
Originally Posted by Al Ferrari
June 7th experiment update.
Milestone: Fabrication of parts completed.
All the parts have been fabricated, primed and much of the pre-assembly has been done.
The assemblies will be delivered to the packaging printer in the next few weeks, where final assembly and the plan for installation will be confirmed.
Also the coordination of the engage/disengage signal from the press will be finalized by the press supplier.
So far things are going slowly but in the right direction.
Take lots of photos and post a few on this forum.
Originally Posted by gordo
It won't be on this forum, since I am not allowed too.
Photos and results eventually will be somewhere else. Hopefully it gets that far. :-)
I read your posts for a long time. You have remarkable persistence although often heard that you are missing the point.
Cant wait to see results, I'll keep my fingers crossed
KamilT, thanks for your comments. I can understand why many might think I am missing the point but please understand that these tests are not to see if the theory works. Tests to confirm the theory have been done a few times over the last 20 years. Knowing that something works gives one some level of confidence to go forward when others can not imagine that being possible and frankly, if I don't do it who will.
Originally Posted by KamilT
These planned tests are to see the technology work in a production situation and in production there are possibly things besides the basic new capability that can cause problems. I don't expect to see anything significant but one can not tell for sure until you run production. I too am keeping my fingers crossed. I hope I made my measurements correctly. :-)
I was actually asked to come to this packaging printer to see if my technology would be suitable for their press. The fellow who contacted me is an old friend and was at the first test I did twenty years ago and he knows that the aim of my technology matches their printing issues. He and the litho dept. supervisor are very aware of what is being tried and why. I feel very lucky to have such good and knowledgeable support on their end.
There is a very important reason to have results made public by a third party. The reason is that this industry can not imagine anything unless it is demonstrated. That is just the way it is, so that is what has to be done. Of course, I am aiming for the press manufacturers to get interested. That is the important group in the industry for me at this time, because I am getting too old for this. :-)
Anyhow, so far the plan is for me to deliver the assembly to the printer tomorrow and we will have a meeting with the press supplier on the signal connection details. I will let everyone know when something significant happens.
August 2, experiment update.
The assemblies have been delivered to the packaging printer and final assembly was done just over five weeks ago. On that same day, the test unit was taken to the press and checked for fit on one press unit. Some issues were found that needed minor modifications to some parts.
In the past several weeks, those modifications were done and now we are waiting for time to check the fit in the press again.
Unfortunately, the press is very busy at this time, which is I guess a good thing, but it means that again, we must wait.
Even though this is moving very slowly, I am quite happy with the support provided at the packaging printer here in Ontario, Canada. They understand what is needed and are taking ownership of the project and a leading role. That is Gold.
Last edited by Erik Nikkanen; 08-02-2012 at 02:34 PM.
I wish I could provide an update that said anything important but unfortunately I am still in waiting mode. I hate waiting mode. :-)
Originally Posted by Erik Nikkanen
It is the responsibility of the packaging printer to plan the running of tests and I have no influence on that. Due to their being very busy and with problems of getting a 24v signal to activate a solenoid, the testing has been delayed for four months.
When I find out more, I will let everyone know.
December 8th ITB experiment update.
Originally Posted by Erik Nikkanen
Finally we have got to the point where the prototype has had the electrical signal from the Komori press connected and this function for the engage and disengagement of the blade has been tested and works properly. This took much too much time due to the packaging printer being busy but it has finally got to this point.
Yesterday, a test was done to look at the ink transfer function into the roller train. We found some issues with the geometry and details with the blade tip, which will be now addressed.
Previous tests on other presses in the past have been made to successfully test the science, but since this experiment is to develop the prototype so it will run in production, much more care needs to be taken to ensure its full advantage can be obtained.
The heart of the technology is actually the blade tip, so that is where refinement is required. After having to wait for quite some time to get to this point in the project, I now can get busy to address the issues in more detail. The direction is pretty well understood but of course, every change needs testing.
Again, I am very happy with the support at the packaging printer. They definitely add to the value of the project with their observations and input.
This kind of development effort really should be done at a press manufacture, but so far there has been no interest from those groups. Results hopefully will change that.