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    Default Crabtree !

    Hello Cornish,

    YES I did - in the late 1950s !!!!


    Crabtree Ensign press

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    Alois, Lets bring back all the old long lost presses, Wharfedale, Vertical Miehle, Thompson I was fortunate to have run them all back in the day. Wouldnt even be able to hook them up today as none of them would pass any safety inspection.

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    I have close ties to Augsburg and some of my friends have worked all their lives at MAN.
    I know that two have gotten their notice and as they are over 50 it looks very bad for them in the future.
    So much for merry christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornishpastythighs View Post
    On a lighter note , if you have ever run a Nebiolo or a Crabtree!! well I'll say no more
    Actually I had customers who ran each product mentioned. One located in So CA during the 80's had on thier own purchased a full size Nebiolo web that proved to be a disaster ("never ran right") and put them oob.
    I recently helped a Metal Decorator update their Crab-tree Vickers by retrofitting new automated ink keys, consoles, software and Closed Loop controls. I must say this printer is a good businessman and the presses at age 30+ printed well, only now better, more efficiently and are in great shape. This shop is impressive.

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    I rest my case on the Nebiolo. We had an old British Crabtree and sold it to a company in Boston Mass, We couldnt resist writing in big letters on all the blanket packings prior to shipping.
    'This is payback for the Boston Tea Party'

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    Default Ret Heidelberg Instructor

    Has anyone heard of a press called a Marinoni? I did run an Italian Harris Aureila 2 col press made by OMSCA. Even the Operator's manual was in Italian.

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    Big shame if MAN Roland go. IMHO their SF presses are the Rolls Royce of presses and they had many firsts -double sized cylinders + transverters when I was still struggling with marking on single-sized cylinders on an MO and SM when printing 200g. Heidelberg made the XL to compete with the 700/500. Roland were the first to have suction feeder. Push button perfecting- I like their perfector design (ok pinched from MAN Miller), but very space saving with no rotten pincer bar. I was very impressed with Direct Drive (although didn't Mitsubishi pip them to this?). Rolands just felt more industial, like driving a mercedes G wagen as opposed to a ford kuga.

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    Default Not the end...

    There's more to this that meets the eye. Manroland is obviously in a pickle, but insolvency does not mean they are being liquidated to pay creditors. German laws protect workers in ways different to North America. Manroland cannot just automatically start dismissing employees and laying them off. Applying for insolvency however can give them that option. Once they prove they are going to meet their demise within the current parameters, the insolvency negotiator has leverage to let manroland get insolvency "status" and do what they could not have done previously. This in turn will give them more leverage when they negotiate with creditors. It may be a long shot, but they are certainly not closing the doors at this point.
    Manroland: Insolvency vs Bankruptcy

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    Not mentioned in the above list of press casualties: EBCO sheetfed press made in Groton CT by the Electric Boat Company - the very same entity that builds US Submarines. I think the version I saw at a client was circa 1940's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornishpastythighs View Post
    I rest my case on the Nebiolo. We had an old British Crabtree and sold it to a company in Boston Mass, We couldnt resist writing in big letters on all the blanket packings prior to shipping.
    'This is payback for the Boston Tea Party'
    The Tea Party thing may not then happened, if King George had not been so taxing.

    Do you recall if it was an general offset or Metal Decorator printer that bought your old Crabtree? I must say the CT-V works well in Metal Deco (flat sheet) printing thick sheets of Aluminum and or Steel, albeit at lower SPH operating speeds than commercial printing needs...


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