Zoo Printing W2P

[Drum]

Anyone have an opinion on the "free" Zoo Printing W2P application? Our production is strictly short run digital and we broker offset work so it appears it might be a viable solution for us.
Thanks for your help.

[western411]

We have used them for a while now mostly for BC cards and postcards and have been quite happy. We have had some production delays and have stopped promising the rush turnarounds. We starting using the the next day turnaround but still promise a 5 day turnaround and in most cases meet the deadlines and dont look stupid due to someone else's late delivery error. In our case, our in house production overlaps what they do and could have been a conflict if we used their free site. Also check out eoncode.com. Same idea but you control the vendor.

[Rick]

Before deciding i would compare with 4over's red tag project which is the same concept. I like their service and selection of products better but really like the once a week free delivery and cheap, quick shipping I get here in NY.
I am also interested in both so please let us know what you decide and why.

thanks

[mitoman]

Before deciding i would compare with 4over's red tag project which is the same concept. I like their service and selection of products better but really like the once a week free delivery and cheap, quick shipping I get here in NY.
I am also interested in both so please let us know what you decide and why.

thanks

I am a 4over customer and still have no idea what the point of RedTag is...all I know is that supposedly "We asked for it and we got it"...that doesn't tell us much. I signed up for the updates before it was launched, received very little information, and now it is launched I don't see anything but a online print shop owned by 4over.

[creativebloc]

I am a 4over customer and still have no idea what the point of RedTag is...all I know is that supposedly "We asked for it and we got it"...that doesn't tell us much. I signed up for the updates before it was launched, received very little information, and now it is launched I don't see anything but a online print shop owned by 4over.

From what I understand it is their push to go retail. Last time i checked they were supposed to be trade only. It seems they want to use this to compete against resellers. I started looking for different trade printers and found Accela Print. Personally I like them better.

Hope this helps.

[WayneMiller]

I've been trying to figure out the whole Red Tag deal, as well as the loyalty program. Google "4over red tag" and you find all sorts of stuff, good and bad. That's how I found this thread. I ran across this earlier today.

What is RedTagPrintSale?

This is an interesting FAQ,

Q. I thought 4over was trade only, now it sells to the consumers?

4over continues to be a trade printer. Redtagprintsale.com is the entity that sells to the consumers; 4over is the printer chosen to fulfill the orders for Redtagprintsale.com.

[PrintingPro]

I've been trying to figure out the whole Red Tag deal, as well as the loyalty program. Google "4over red tag" and you find all sorts of stuff, good and bad. That's how I found this thread. I ran across this earlier today.

What is RedTagPrintSale?

This is an interesting FAQ,

Q. I thought 4over was trade only, now it sells to the consumers?

4over continues to be a trade printer. Redtagprintsale.com is the entity that sells to the consumers; 4over is the printer chosen to fulfill the orders for Redtagprintsale.com.

What the heck are you talking about??? 4Over does NOT do fulfillment for RedTagPrintSale, that is simply one of their websites. Check your info - I don't know where you go that from.

[PrintingPro]

Before deciding i would compare with 4over's red tag project which is the same concept. I like their service and selection of products better but really like the once a week free delivery and cheap, quick shipping I get here in NY.
I am also interested in both so please let us know what you decide and why.

thanks

You, sir, are greatly misinformed. It is not the same concept AT ALL. I have personal knowledge of and experience with both. Read on for the differences.

Zoo gives you a private label site produces by Eon Code which is pre-populated with their product. You determine the markup based on the very low margins they give you to choose from (at least it was that way when they launched it). When someone places an order, the payment goes to you and the artwork goes to Zoo. You have to then review the artwork and make your payment at your discounted rate to Zoo. The problem is that you cannot make bulk price changes or set markup based on item type. Every product, quantity and configuration is a different product. If you want to change all of your prices by 1%, i you would literally have to go in and make thousands of price changes on-by-one.

RedTag is 4Over's way to ruin your business. It is a despicable program and enough to make me leave them. I have been a very loyal reseller of their's for years, but this is a game changer. Here is how it really works: They have a site that takes retail orders (from anyone, including customers they may have gone to you or maybe your current customers). They then, supposedly, distribute those sales to members of the program (for now, I have no reason to think they don't , but how would we know?) All sounds good so far, BUT here is the catch - take a look at the prices. You might make 10% and in some cases much less. You might argue, "who cares? It is found money". Not so fast - you now own all of the customer service problems. They cannot contact 4Over. Even though 4Over got the money directly, you are their only point of contact. You may have made $3 selling a set of business cards or nothing selling a banner, but they gave you a customer. They will argue that the customer is now yours so you can make money with other business with them. Right, except they will always look at Red Tag pricing which makes you nothing and maybe the next time they order they order through the site again since that is how they got to you in the first place, then they go to some other printer (though 4Over may keep track and send them back to you, this I am unsure about). Either way, they are controlling the pricing, not you. If you leave the program, what do you think will happen?

Here is the bottom line, and if you take away one thing, take this away: 4Over came up with a plan on how to start selling retail without having to deal with the headaches of retail. They still make the same amount of money as if they sold through a broker. They are attempting to price-fix the market since now they will be your competition. They think that their brokers are so stupid that they could not see through this garbage. Anyone who joins this program is an absolute fool. 4Over says this is to compete with Vista Print - this is BS, Vista Print sells garbage - that is not my market. My market are customers who want better quality.

4Over is trying to steal your business and your time - if you are a broker with them, write to them and let them know what you think of this nonsense. Zoo is better, but is still trying to keep your profits at a minimum. Both of them want you to pay for this privilege. You could not pay ME $300 a month to join either program. I truly hope that 4Over gets rid of this before it puts them out of business because, believe me that cannot sell retail direct because their customer service can't even handle the volume of resellers they have nor do any of them care what you think, no matter how much business you give them.

I welcome your responses and inquiries - ESPECIALLY if you work for 4Over.

[Rick]

It is hard to fight city hall. as a long time user of 4over we have learned to live with their pluses and minuses. The review of red tag is distressing but at least it is not using the 4over name. In effect is it any different than many of the other direct to customer onl line web site we already compete with?
I agree that if as described it will turn into a negative in the long run as they currently are in a position to overwhelm the short run trade printing market. this could put a serious damper on that position.

[PrintAgent]

4over.com announcing for non-trade members to to go RED TAG website. it does not make sense!


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