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  • Cannon Imagepress C7000VP

    Going to see a demo of the Cannon Imagepress C7000VP next week. Anyone have any experiences with this copier... oops, digital press? Or Canon equipment? Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Cannon Imagepress C7000VP

    > {quote:title=Mark wrote:}{quote}
    > Going to see a demo of the Cannon Imagepress C7000VP next week. Anyone have any experiences with this copier... oops, digital press? Or Canon equipment? Thanks in advance.

    Make sure to give a detailed report of what you thought of it. :-)

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      Re: Cannon Imagepress C7000VP

      We've had our Canon C7000 for a couple months now and absolutely love it!

      I can honestly say this was the first install I've experienced where the techs came in, set the machine up for two days, and we didn't have to place a single service call for two weeks!

      The quality is phenomenal. We've got a Hamada B452A which has a deplorable track record when it comes to roll recovery issues when printing solid areas of color. Our C7000 has been a godsend. I can't keep track of how many times we've had to pull jobs from our Hamada and run them on our Canon. We're beginning to wonder if we should just get rid of our Hamada after seeing what the Canon is capable of. What used to take days of proofs, plates, ink drying etc. now takes a matter of hours with our Canon. Our Direct Smile VDP work is just as beautiful off our Canon as we were getting on our outsourced Indigo work. We've run full coverage 12x18 two sided work x 10,000 impressions and the machine never missed a beat. The last printed piece came out looking exactly as the first piece. Our enthusiasm may be a bit skewed, we were using a Konica 8050 for our digital color work for the past two years and it was nothing but a headache every day. Regardless, I've been in the industry for over 10 years now and can honestly say this machine is exactly what those of us in the quickprint have been waiting for.

      The only digital press I've seen that beats our Canon is the Indigo, but those machines require much more consumables and maintenance.

      The Canon is a great investment in my opinion!

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      • #4
        Re: Cannon Imagepress C7000VP

        Great Product.

        Pros - Quality, Speed and Price based on configuration. In a blind test I picked the Indigo quality over C7000VP, The 7K over the igen3, and Nexpress. Laminating hides a lot of streaks. All of these devices streak but the maintenance is much less on the Canon products and their service training is respected by techs. Customer replaceable parts program is above the regular PMs which is for Commercial Production environments. The money is well spent considering the profits in bookletmaking and less prep times than conventional prepress due to excellent color profiles, doc merge, and imposition tools on the Fiery front end. This is from an experienced Scitex prepress operator, journeyman scanner operator and CTP consultant. A matchprint proof matched the default output of the same file in a blind test 90 percent. Customer had me print out the file with SWOP settings and then pulled out the proof. Speed wise it handles heavy stocks at same speed as bond. Mixed media was an issue until a fix was implemented. Some printers offer this as an upgrade cost. Speed over Image Priority. That means sacrificing quality for speed. This Digital Printer (7K) runs solid. Even without the tab kit, misfeeds were far and few between and the multi sheet detector on the optional paper POD cleared the misfeed and warned the operator to check the tab tray. The value comes from the toner transfer to paper via improved roller systems, blelts and dual fuser which allow for textured and coated stocks which look and feel like offset. I was fooled into thinking I could tell the difference. Its all about the paper which has settings to commonly used stocks in commercial print.
        I agree, for the money there are no additional costs for conditioning, cleaning or servicing the7K.
        I like the spectorphotometer which I use to quality control color, calibration is easy and takes minutes, the interface and bundled software like Pitstop to troubleshoot bad files with the Preflight check for last minute fixes, the previewer which shows screening, GCR, Gradation changes, sharpness, smoothing for low res, exporting PDF to vector for low res logos fixed via Illustrator. when native file isn't available. Remote Interface and drivers to print from anywhere as long as paper is loaded.
        Cons - "Line" screen (default) on graphics shifts color, ex: Logos I fix this by choosing different screen system.
        limited fold options(letter, Z, scoring, the FACI kit pricey, Monitor, mouse and keyboard. (optional for Fiery controler).
        Didn't punch tabbed document. Inserting unit limitations. But workarounds like prepunched paper and preprinted inserts to resolve issues. Haven't tested large batches fo VDP files and recovery process when paper misfeeds or files hang, if any.
        If you have any VDP issues please reply.
        I like this printer, very versatile and it looks like offset.

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        • #5
          any new experience from users?
          Smatros print & natisni.si - small format, large format, flatbed, dtg, laser engraving & more in EU

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          • #6
            We had a 6000 for almost 8 months and the image quality is very close to offset quality. Color is consistent as long as you keep it calibrated (at least once a day). As with any digital copiers oops I mean printers they all have downtime and you get to know you service guy.

            I tested several digital press and found the color on the 6000/7000 was the most consistent of the ones in this price range.

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            • #7
              I worked on the launch team until early 2008 and it seems to be a pretty good machine. We only had two Beta machines and one Pre production unit to play with.

              My only concern was and is how well it wil hold up over time. We were getting smoking quality out of the Beta units on every stock imaginable.

              Good luck on the Demo. I do hope you provided them with some of your files and stock for the demo.

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              • #8
                we had our C7000VP installed about 7 or so months ago and havent looked back. it's a great machine.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PineyBob View Post
                  I worked on the launch team until early 2008 and it seems to be a pretty good machine. We only had two Beta machines and one Pre production unit to play with.

                  My only concern was and is how well it wil hold up over time. We were getting smoking quality out of the Beta units on every stock imaginable.

                  Good luck on the Demo. I do hope you provided them with some of your files and stock for the demo.
                  They dont hold up well over time unless serviced regularly. We have had one for over a year and have been down for more than 5 days twice in the past month. Canon's recommended service levels are inaccurate for 99% of the people who use these so make sure you get a service company that is Canon certified to work on these machines. The machine when running is a great production tool. I have found also that the room/environment you put it in makes all the difference in the world as far as consistent printing.

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                  • #10
                    I have to agree that the machines do not hold up well.I had two 6000vps and one was always down.

                    canon almost put me out of business with the poor performance of the machines.

                    We had to push them out the door and return to xerox to satisfy our customer needs.

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                    • #11
                      How has the registration been front to back and skew....we have had some issues that ikon techs have not been able to fix

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                      • #12
                        Canon C7000VP

                        as first 2 weeks the machine was absolutely fine but then we had to place a service call almost every 3 days , we are suffering alot with it specialy when the service answer you: Sir, We Need to calibrate the machine and that will take till tomorrow
                        Man i don't know but i'm thinking of getting KONICA Minolta Back!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by fnaji View Post
                          as first 2 weeks the machine was absolutely fine but then we had to place a service call almost every 3 days , we are suffering alot with it specialy when the service answer you: Sir, We Need to calibrate the machine and that will take till tomorrow
                          Man i don't know but i'm thinking of getting KONICA Minolta Back!
                          Just curious who your service organization is?

                          Get your rep on the horn and get a meeting with the Service Manager. Three days between call is excessive on the service side, however you also need to consider MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure). If you're having a call every 3 days and you're running 30,000 impressions a day that might be a perfectly acceptable and within spec.

                          If you don't like what you hear from the dealer, rattle Canon USA's cage. Just make sure you have a documented and researched case.

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                          • #14
                            Looked at one about year ago nice went for demo. But had demo of other machines test files printed Xerox, Konica Minolta. Not much different in quality actully liked KM output on more of the files. Was new to digital machines and was expecting 20 to 30 thousand clicks a month and thought the 7000 was overkill. Been happy with KM service same day or next when I have issue. Sure Canon is good but I would also check out the new KM 8000. Go to youtube and type konica minolta 8000 have some
                            Videos one from ipex but have two nicely done videos that show it off. Like the belt feed of the paper and up to 16pt stock sweet.

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                            • #15
                              All of the current digital technology is pretty good. If any machine from the major players is being serviced correctly and by someone who is good it will perform fine. Everyone on here bagging a machine is not really bagging the machine they are bagging their local service.

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