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  • Landa S10 Cost Per Impression Thoughts

    Wondering if anyone has calculated the cost per impression on the Landa S10 press that is being touted. Also wonder if there actually is any actual Landa presses running in a production mode at this point. The reason I point to 'cost per impression' is the probable monopoly that potentially would exist with the cost and implied warranties forced on buyers of the consumable INK from Landa. This I feel is where the profit would truly be grabbed if the technology would materialize. Generic nano particled ink and counter offerings to Landa nanoink would be strongly denied methinks from Benny and company. Consider everything here with this great sky in the pie up and comingner.

    D Ink Man

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    You or one of your associates could chat with Imagine! in Minneapolis as they are listed as a beta site for the S10 press.

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    • #3
      You beta believe this has been a long, cold, costly hard run to date. No?

      D

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      • #4
        Originally posted by D Ink Man View Post
        You beta believe this has been a long, cold, costly hard run to date. No?

        D
        Yes of course. But that doesn't matter. In this case the destination is more important than the journey.
        Last edited by gordo; 02-10-2017, 12:58 PM.

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        • #5
          The destination is unaffordable for most companies. They may or may not realize this, and will probably have to find out the hard way. However, the theatrics displayed by Landa are unmatched, but is way too steep of a price for simply entertainment.

          Don't lose sight about that nanoink and the potential monopolized price. I feel Benny is rubbing his hands together as the mechanical contraption is pieced together. The epilogue of the story will be that "INK", the vehicleless substance that it is. Really is unjust calling that stuff an ink. Just does not meet the criteria.

          D INK Man

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          • #6
            Originally posted by D Ink Man View Post
            The destination is unaffordable for most companies. They may or may not realize this, and will probably have to find out the hard way. [SNIP] The epilogue of the story will be that "INK", the vehicleless substance that it is.[SNIP]
            Any company with the means to purchase a Landa press would have the wherewithal to calculate the ROI. It is the ROI that determines whether the investment is affordable or not. Based on the ROI, what is unaffordable for one company may not be unaffordable for another. I suppose that instead of calling it "nanoink" he could have called it a "calibrated nanoscale polychromatic pigment deposition coagulator" - but I don't think that would roll off the tongue as readily.

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            • #7
              I like it; that is a great name for a science fictional menagerie.

              D

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              • #8
                The original question is actually interesting tho. What is the production cost right now and what do they think it will be?

                Gordo, you might give some companies too much credit for their ability to calculate ROI accurately. I have a lot of empirical data to back that up! Sometimes people get too excited about shiny and new and fail to fully consider a proposition. I'm not passing judgement on the Landa process either way, just speaking generally. The proof will be in the pudding I suppose, can't wait to taste it.

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                • #9
                  If the pudding appears to be chocolate by one's vision, be very careful before it passes the lips to the tongue.

                  D

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kansasquaker View Post
                    Gordo, you might give some companies too much credit for their ability to calculate ROI accurately.
                    Of course you are absolutely correct. Vendors have been counting on that for years. I was just trying to be PC about it. LOL

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                    • #11
                      So the point of the post is clear now as to the fly in the ointment. It lieth on the West Bank.

                      D

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by D Ink Man View Post
                        So the point of the post is clear now as to the fly in the ointment. It lieth on the West Bank.

                        D
                        I was responding to this post:
                        Originally posted by kansasquaker View Post
                        Gordo, you might give some companies too much credit for their ability to calculate ROI accurately. .
                        Note the qualifier "some" (meaning not all).

                        I originally wrote:
                        Any company with the means to purchase a Landa press would have the wherewithal to calculate the ROI.
                        Perhaps I should have said "should" instead of "would"?

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                        • #13
                          Gordo, you don't stand to be corrected. Stay seated, everything is just fine.

                          D

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                          • #14
                            The Landa faction deserves more comment on this subject. Please indulge our hard and smart workers of Print of the World.

                            D

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by D Ink Man View Post
                              Wondering if anyone has calculated the cost per impression on the Landa S10 press that is being touted. Also wonder if there actually is any actual Landa presses running in a production mode at this point. The reason I point to 'cost per impression' is the probable monopoly that potentially would exist with the cost and implied warranties forced on buyers of the consumable INK from Landa. This I feel is where the profit would truly be grabbed if the technology would materialize. Generic nano particled ink and counter offerings to Landa nanoink would be strongly denied methinks from Benny and company. Consider everything here with this great sky in the pie up and comingner.

                              D Ink Man
                              At Drupa, the CEO (Amir) of Landa said that they were going to ship presses in the beginning of 2017. 2017 has started and at this time of year one usually gets some annual notice of some kind of delays. So far nothing has been announced but I suspect there will be something said soon either way.

                              I hope Landa will get the results they want soon but I have to say, I don't see that the concept has a big enough advantage. I could be wrong. I am happy to be surprised.

                              I am also eagerly waiting for some reports regarding the EZcolor inker by Cron. They too are in the process of development and hopefully testing at printers. I know this is not so easy to develop because I have experience developing an experimental pumping inker back in the early 1990's that ran in production (24/7) on four units of a press for several months, running EB inks.

                              Developing technology is difficult but it seems easy for the industry media to report that some new technology has a high level of performance even before it is in actual production. They even report that the costs are significant.

                              Unfortunately the media does not worry about the reality that finally might arrive. An of course, the speculation about cost per impression can be fake news until the final results come in. Fun to follow.

                              Updated info,

                              I just noticed that at InfoTrends in Dec 2016, Komori stated that their version of the S10, the NS40 will be fully available in the Spring of 2018 after NS40 is finished its beta testing at a printer in Belgium with Landa.
                              Last edited by Erik Nikkanen; 02-13-2017, 10:11 PM. Reason: Updated info

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