New KM AccurioPress

[PeterThePrinter]

We are currently an all Ricoh shop and our 901+ Pro is tired after 4 years so went shopping. We looked at Ricoh, KM and Canon. I thought we would wind up with a KM machine, but was surprised when we finished our shopping and testing process by purchasing Canon. Yeah -- this is the first post in this thread to mention Canon. The machine appears to be better built, the quality is comparable, and the pricing and cost per copy were very competitive. Productivity on heavy stocks and two sided print appears better as well.

For years it hasn't seemed like Canon was much of a player in print-for-pay, except for the Oce Black & White boxes, but we feel pretty good about these machines.

KM talks about their registration system with the "visual" registration, but the demos sure showed white where there shouldn't have been. Maybe just because I'm an offset guy, but sure don't mind the gripper and guide method of registration.

Of course, it helps that we are in Chicagoland and about 15 minutes drive from major support facilities for both Canon and KM. I think service can be more important than the machines nowadays. If Ricoh was able to better maintain the machines we have we wouldn't have even needed to go shopping.

[maac]

Thanks for the links DiVision and Steve0 4 days of training commitment but it did not work out. If this works out we will add to this.

[Steve0]

We just had the AccurioPress C2070 installed and as you know there is an awful lot to learn. As of yet the training is spotty. There does not seem to be a lot of input on this printer as of yet. Would anyone know if there is pdf,s or documertation and videos for training on this we can use.

An HTML user's guide is available online for the machine. For the controller, which did you get? More importantly, what training commitment did your vendor make?

[DiVision]

Hello maac - they do have some kind of online html user guide... not very easy to use but here and there you can learn a few things. Here's the address: https://www.biz.konicaminolta.com/do..._c2070p_c2060/

Hope this helps

[maac]

We just had the AccurioPress C2070 installed and as you know there is an awful lot to learn. As of yet the training is spotty. There does not seem to be a lot of input on this printer as of yet. Would anyone know if there is pdf,s or documertation and videos for training on this we can used.

Thanks

[arossetti]

I kind of hijacked this thread but does Kodak sell their nexpress/prosper with a Creo option?

[deckm00@yahoo.com]

That's true for Xerox - they have been pushing Free Flow (which is now under Fiery) but Ricoh and Konica are still offering Creo Servers

Not quite true, for now Ricoh now only offers Fiery controllers. We still have some Creos in the field that we're still supporting but we're not selling them any longer.

[DiVision]

That's true for Xerox - they have been pushing Free Flow (which is now under Fiery) but Ricoh and Konica are still offering Creo Servers

[arossetti]

Yes Creo is now supported by Kodak

Well they have been for 10+ years but I haven't seen a lot of new digital printers sell with a Creo option in about 5 years.

[DiVision]

Yes Creo is now supported by Kodak

[arossetti]

I didn't even know Creo was still around.

[DiVision]

We have been using the AccurioPress 2070 for 2 months now with Creo as a front end. Registration is very good and constant, color is even and accurate. Media handling is somewhat tricky - there are many settings that you may play with including Fuser temperature, air density, speed on the 2nd side (on the fuser) and more but once you have the right ones - and saved these in the paper profile, feeding will perform without jams. Envelope printing is very easy and very fast (with the envelope fuser)

On the negative side, the Press is very new and there are a few glitch with the Creo - online creaser is supposed to crease up to 4 positions on a sheet, it will only make one (they are working on the issue) - page size that you can print has some limitations - you cannot send business cards 2 x 3.5 inches without an error, you have to send the file larger - say 4 x 5.5 and set the right page size on the rip and then impose - preview may show a landscape document but it will print portrait - few minor things that need to get used to.

We have been Xerox customers for decades and it is our first non Xerox equipment and overall we are very satisfied with our purchase - not saying that xerox offering is not good but money did talk this time. One other thing, Service is good - no issue there.

[kdw75]

I'd look closer at the registration of the V2100. We have two and the registration problems have been the biggest problem with the machine. Yes it's got the FWA that will create an alignment profile but we have to run that every time we use a paper, even multiple times a day for the same paper. It doesn't hold. If you want to test the registration do some very long runs. Check both front to back and sheet to sheet. Other than that it is a pretty good machine. We put a lot of volume on ours and rarely have image problems that aren't solved by replacing a basic consumable part. The big problems for us are registration and our service isn't great.

We have had similar experience with ours. It registers pretty good, but not as good as an offset press, which is what was advertised. I find it very similar to our C75.

[Manafaith]

Well thats kind of a bummer to hear.....The registration was so good at my demo but I didn't run much in the way of quantity. Well I guess it cant be much worse than my two KM's

[jrsc]

I'd look closer at the registration of the V2100. We have two and the registration problems have been the biggest problem with the machine. Yes it's got the FWA that will create an alignment profile but we have to run that every time we use a paper, even multiple times a day for the same paper. It doesn't hold. If you want to test the registration do some very long runs. Check both front to back and sheet to sheet. Other than that it is a pretty good machine. We put a lot of volume on ours and rarely have image problems that aren't solved by replacing a basic consumable part. The big problems for us are registration and our service isn't great.