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  • #31
    Originally posted by noelward View Post
    Never mind the facts. Just go with opinion.
    D Ink Man... will you be at drupa, or are you running off rumors?

    I don't know how much of Landa's show is real but it deserves an objective look, just like all the other technology at drupa or any show.

    There are a few aspects of Landa's technology that I haven't seen discussed ( I tried to find out from the Landa corp but didn't get an answer). Perhaps this is something you either know or could find out at drupa.

    1 - What happens when nano ink printed materiel goes into the recycling stream? Can it be de inked along with the other printed materiel?
    2 - Nano sized materials can enter the body through the skin. How toxic are the nano particles used? Will specialized handling of the inks be required by the press operator (e.g. hazmat type suits/breathing filters, etc)?

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    • #32
      I just gave Pritchard a very thumbs up. Very good interrogations.

      D

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      • #33
        Has anyone seen the cost to use the nanograph presses? What does it cost per sheet? How long with the transfer belt last? It probably is possible to smash the transfer belt like it happens with an offset blanket.
        Last edited by Green Printer; 06-21-2016, 07:55 AM.

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        • #34
          I have been wondering the same thing. But it looks like there is a lot of confidence in the product after seeing it. Landa supposedly left Dupra with over half a BILLION in sales.

          http://www.printweek.com/print-week/...uge-order-book

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          • #35
            There's also this interesting discussion on WTT about Landa's overall print quality before and at drupa.
            http://whattheythink.com/video/81096.../#comment-9262

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            • #36
              Originally posted by prwhite View Post
              There's also this interesting discussion on WTT about Landa's overall print quality before and at drupa.
              http://whattheythink.com/video/81096.../#comment-9262
              The discussion exemplifies one of the problems with today's graphic arts reporting - parroting vendor claims. I just posted a response:

              I'm with Chris Lynn on this one. It's fine to hear subjective opinions on the Landa presses - however - they represent a printing technology which can be evaluated objectively. For example:
              An ICC profile would show how its gamut compares with that of GRACoL. The profile could easily be compared with Pantones spot color library to see the volume of colors in, or out of gamut.
              What was the registration like across the sheet and sheet to sheet.
              What halftone screening type and frequency used? Were there samples of Claimed FM capability?
              Were artifacts/issues consistent sheet to sheet or did they appear randomly.
              How was grey balance? Did it remain cinsistent through the run? Was color affected by inline ink usage?
              Was the same image content printed on different substrates? How did they compare? Were direct comparisons made between the same images printed offset vs Landa? Were any sheets rubbed to get a sense of rub resistance?
              Etc., etc,...

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              • #37
                Now also understand that the ink is free with the press.

                D
                Last edited by D Ink Man; 06-23-2016, 01:26 PM. Reason: Knew Know

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                • #38
                  eme
                  Originally posted by gordo View Post

                  The discussion exemplifies one of the problems with today's graphic arts reporting - parroting vendor claims. I just posted a response:

                  I'm with Chris Lynn on this one. It's fine to hear subjective opinions on the Landa presses - however - they represent a printing technology which can be evaluated objectively. For example:
                  An ICC profile would show how its gamut compares with that of GRACoL. The profile could easily be compared with Pantones spot color library to see the volume of colors in, or out of gamut.
                  What was the registration like across the sheet and sheet to sheet.
                  What halftone screening type and frequency used? Were there samples of Claimed FM capability?
                  Were artifacts/issues consistent sheet to sheet or did they appear randomly.
                  How was grey balance? Did it remain cinsistent through the run? Was color affected by inline ink usage?
                  Was the same image content printed on different substrates? How did they compare? Were direct comparisons made between the same images printed offset vs Landa? Were any sheets rubbed to get a sense of rub resistance?
                  Etc., etc,...
                  Some of the reporting might be by people who can evaluate print but I would say most of these people are not qualified to determine the future. To say that the market will decide is clearly a cop out. No use taking anything they say, seriously. It is just talk. But that is what most journalism is in this and other industries.

                  From what I have read, for what it is worth, the quality of the Landa print is not perfect and that Indigo's print is still better. Is Indigo better than offset? Not sure about that but if the Landa print quality can at least not match or surpass Indigo, I think it will be a problem.

                  In trying to develop innovative technology, one can be 95% there but one still does not know if it is possible to get that final 5%. This is how I see the situation. Landa will work hard to reach that final, quality, capacity, reliability, cost etc. goals by the beginning of next year. Will it happen, I have no idea. Until then, it is NOT a product.

                  Remember when many of the journalists and experts though DI was the next big thing and all presses were going to have it in the future. Didn't quite happen that way. :-)

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                  • #39
                    i love popcorns..

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