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    I have a feeling I know the answer to this question, BUT, can anyone share their experiences moving toward waterless printing as an eco savvy solution? I think the printers in Scandinavia were pushing this a few years ago. Did it take hold and succeed? Is anyone printing waterless who isn't running a DI press? No choice there, and the only market I'm aware of for waterless ink. A recent WTT post talked about a printer running waterless UV presses, but no one admitted it when I asked the question in the CTP section. Probably marketing hype, I'm from Missouri, show me. Looking for some comments and opinions, please.

    John Lind
    Cranberry Township, PA
    724-776-4718

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    Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

    John,

    Have you been to www.waterless.org? There is some good information there. One great eco-friendly advantage is the waterless printer can run water washable inks. No more wash up solvent VOCs!

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      Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

      Peter:
      Thanks for the comment. I have heard even less about water washable waterless ink than waterless ink. How many printers are using that, do you think? Seems like there would be a buzz in the industry if that technology was succeeding.
      I'll check out the website. Thanks for the dialogue.
      John Lind

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        Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

        John,

        We at Toray have many customers running waterless on many different presses from CD/DVD to 40"+ sheetfed and web presses, with oil & UV based waterless inks.
        The water washable inks (as far as we know for the US market) are still under development, but at the IGAS show in Japan during October 2007 there were presentations made from DIC & Toray on water washable zero VOC waterless printing inks for the far east market.

        If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.

        Eric Friedman
        No. American Sales Manager
        Toray International America, Inc.
        843 693 7949
        e.friedman@toray-intl.com

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          Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

          I know of a company using it, they do well, but it takes a lot of control. You need to be constantly checking your press, whereas standard printing you just crank it up and go. On the other side of going green, we use only 1%-2% alcohol mixture and a solution called hydrowash, if setup by the proper technician it runs like a dream, the ink dries quicker and you are using less solvents, this mix can also be used to run alco free.

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          • #6
            Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

            Max:
            Is hydrowash a fountain solution, and if so, what brand? Why use any alcohol at all?
            John Lind

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            • #7
              Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

              John,

              KBA has a 14" x 20" and a 20"x 29" waterless press available, look at their website for the Rapida 74G and the Genius 52UV

              Kind Regards

              Sam Creel
              KBA
              www.kba-usa.com
              screel@kba-usa.com

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              • #8
                Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

                Hi Sam,

                How is the Gravuflow inking system doing in the market place in general? When I first learned of it on the 74 Karat, I thought this new inking system would take the market by storm. But this has not happened as far as I can see.

                Al

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                • #9
                  Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

                  Maybe i will change a way of this discusion but i have one "waterless" question.

                  I have QM DI waterless press.
                  Somewhere i heard (or read) that waterless presses can be easy used for printing on plastic or even on textil? Is it really that easy and possible? What inks must be used?
                  I heard that presses with dampening have problems with drying ink on these supstrates (i never try print on it).
                  Any idea what i can do with it?

                  Davor Smokovic

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                  • #10
                    Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

                    Davor:
                    I have seen the DI print successfully on PVC (credit cards), polyester, Teslin (polypropylene). Waterless is good for plastic, not as good as UV, but less temperature stress on the plastic. You need to ask for Hard Dry inks, formulated for the plastic. Have not tried on fabric. Do some tests. How would you feed it? Fabric textured canvas book covers should work.
                    John Lind
                    Cranberry Township, PA
                    724-776-4718

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                    • #11
                      Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

                      Thanks John.
                      You give me good idea (plastic book covers).
                      I will try to contact SunChemicals (now using Hartmann IRO Dry).

                      Davor

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                      • #12
                        Re: Waterless Printing and going Green

                        Hi Davor,

                        What High Dry Inks are you using with waterless?

                        Rgds
                        Emilio

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