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  • kdw75
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    Originally posted by PricelineNegotiator View Post

    Yeah but I think the questions is how do you do 50,000 of them?
    We have a 7,000 order we do twice a year.

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  • PricelineNegotiator
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    Originally posted by Captain Kirk View Post
    Just as Bill said, we use our horizon knife folder. Set up the hand feed unit and it folds nearly as fast as you can feed them, and looks great. We have a job of 1200 we do once a month.
    Yeah but I think the questions is how do you do 50,000 of them?

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  • Captain Kirk
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    Just as Bill said, we use our horizon knife folder. Set up the hand feed unit and it folds nearly as fast as you can feed them, and looks great. We have a job of 1200 we do once a month.

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  • kdw75
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    The client insists on stapling. We are charging a premium and my only concern is that they will one day shop around and find someone using another process I am unfamiliar with to do it much faster/cheaper. The fact that everyone is telling me that it is a pain and slow makes me feel like we are justified in charging what we are and doing it by hard for the best results.

    I have contemplated the one stitch idea, but haven't tried it.

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  • bill kahny
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    We hand feed them back through our knife folder on our horizon collator. Slow but does a good job

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  • cdavis2019
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    MBO made a knife unit model Z. It rolls up to our Multibinder to make a right angle fold. Staples are no problem. Can do up to 5-6 sheets. Has height adjustment and angle adjustments to fit the delivery end of your equipment.

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  • PricelineNegotiator
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    We have an odd folder we can put them through, but it's a pain in the ass. Even with two people running it you can only manage 800 - 1,000 per hour. It maxes out at about 5 sheets of 60# text, and about 8 sheets for 20#.

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  • gregbatch
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    The sheets can't slide to accommodate the fold when stapled, so you get pulling, tearing and puckering. As a rule we do not staple newsletters that will quarter-fold. If the customer insists they staple, we will do 1 staple so the sheets have some freedom to move when folded. We feed through the right angle unit. If they insist on 2 we hand fold at a substantial higher rate. Most are happy with 1 staple to keep the sheets from sliding apart.

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  • kdw75
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    We are running them offset. They are 3-11x17 signatures on 70# Gloss Text. We collate fold and stitch. Then we hand fold down to 5.5 8.5 inches. We do some that aren't stitched and those we can fold on our folder. We hand feed them into the right angle unit and they fold without tearing. The stitching is what we can't get to work without hand folding.

    On another note, I am not sure if the staples will damage the rollers in the folder.

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  • gregbatch
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    What are you producing the newsletter on?

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  • Alois Senefelder
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    Hello kdw75,


    How many pages are you trying to fold prior to the Q/fold?


    Regards, Alois



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  • alibryan
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    I'm pretty sure that pile and continuous feed folders have the exact same suction head, and feed identically. The only significant difference is that the continuous feed pile is fanned out along a belt. Maybe that helps.

    You could also try feeding the spine edge first and then bypass the main folder gates, and use the right angle (if you have one) to achieve your final size.

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  • MailGuru
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    Originally posted by kdw75 View Post


    I am not sure how that folder is unique. We have an MBO folder and we have tried folding the finished pieces, but when they are stapled it tears the spine.
    A continuous feed folder would probably work. We fold them on our MBO continuous feed folder. A pile feed folder (air suction) would probably tear the spine as you mentioned. We also have an MBO Pile Feed, and, it won't run on it. The suction lifts up the first page, then skews/tears the booklet.

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  • kdw75
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    Originally posted by Magnus59 View Post
    You need a crash folder. As far as I know, the only one available is from Shoei
    https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0082...section-feeder

    I am not sure how that folder is unique. We have an MBO folder and we have tried folding the finished pieces, but when they are stapled it tears the spine.

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  • Magnus59
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    You need a crash folder. As far as I know, the only one available is from Shoei
    https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0082...section-feeder

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