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    Is anyone out there using remote proofing? Setting up an identical printer and color management software at a client's office so they can print their own hard copy proofs. Does this sound dangerous?

    Thanks,
    G

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    Re: Remote Proofing

    we did that with one of our biggest clients. They are about an hour from the shop, so it made sense to install a proofer and software at their location.

    The amount of time/money we save running proofs to and from is huge and we can turn their jobs a day faster now. It's a win/win.

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      We have about 8 remote proofing sites right now and have been doing remote printer for 5+ years or so. We use a GMG Rip to drive the printers, but all the color management is performed at our host site, and just the file data set to the remote site (all that's needed is a compatable printer w/ ethernet or a pc and an IP address). This makes is much easier to control, and takes aways responsibility for accuracy from the client site ...so they don't have to know anything about calibration or profiling, though we do require them to ship us back calibration charts regularly to keep the system in check...this would be eliminated with one of those HP Zseries printers with te onboard spectrophotometer). Remote printing can be more about IT connectivity than about color management.

      Edited by: Michael Eddington on Sep 17, 2007 8:24 AM

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      • #4
        Re: Remote Proofing

        Thanks,
        But how can you be sure that what the client is seeing on their end is the same as what you are seeing. Aren't there several variables that can affect the proof output, ie: ink/toner levels, room temperature, stock/paper, etc?

        I work in a flexo world where there are many more variables at plate and press level as well.
        Is anyone experienced with Flexo Color Management. It seems to be a bit more complicated than Offset and Digital?

        Thanks,
        G

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        • #5
          Re: Remote Proofing

          Yes there is the problem of viewing conditions. While the remote proof might be colormetricaly identical to the one at your end, depending on the viewing conditions the remote proof could have a different colour appearance.

          Thats the problem with good remote proofing. Fine if both ends have viewing booths with D50 lamps but more than likely they haven't.

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          • #6
            Re: Remote Proofing

            That's not difficult these days. Here in the UK there are some viewing
            booths that cost < £1K. I haven't tried them yet, but plan on doing so.

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            • #7
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              >But how can you be sure that what the client is seeing on their end is the same as what you are seeing. Aren't there several variables that can affect the proof output, ie: ink/toner levels, room temperature, stock/paper, etc?

              The important thing here is to ensure colorimetric output after the printer is installed at the client site. As I mentioned, our remote proofers are calibrated regularly (we do this by having charts shipped back to us for measreument, but if the client site has the software, it can be done onsite, or if you have a fancy HP Z series printer, calibration can be done automatically with the right software).

              Beyond that, it doesn't hurt to invest in proof verification software that would allow measurement of the proof to compare to a standard. This requires a little bit of participation from the client site...unless again, you have an on board spectro.


              >Thats the problem with good remote proofing. Fine if both ends have viewing booths with D50 lamps but more than likely they haven't.

              Yep, but this is not just limited to remote proofing. Any proofs that are shipped out fall under this limitation as well. Some clients understand this and have invested invested in viewing booths. Others don't understand this, or won't invest the money, and they should be made aware of the limitations. Of course, an inexpensive viewing booth could easily be incorporated into a remote proofing site...if its critical color, I would mandate it.

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              • #8
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                >I work in a flexo world where there are many more variables at plate and press level as well.
                Is anyone experienced with Flexo Color Management. It seems to be a bit more complicated than Offset and Digital?


                We'll I'm not experienced in Flexo, but for the purposes of answering this question, I'll pretend to be. I think the main challenge is creating the plate curves for Flexo and obtaining characterization data that create the profile. Here's an article concerining G7 for flexo.

                http://www.flexography.org/flexo/art...ecounter=10622

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                • #9
                  Re: Remote Proofing

                  Thanks everyone,

                  Does anyone know if any of the mentioned proofing software will output dot for dot proofs?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Remote Proofing

                    Sure.

                    It's a option for gmg and it's called DotProof.

                    DotProof will let you print actual screened files on your rip (1 bit Tiff) or you can screened it in gmg as it comes with it's own rip also. You can go from 60 lpi up to as high 175 lpi.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Remote Proofing

                      Mike,

                      I have the fancy Z printer running with gmg and I love it. Now I am trying to get my hands on 880 series Epson...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Remote Proofing

                        GMG also offers FlexoProof geared specifically toward the Flexo industry. Not sure of all the differences between this and DotProof...does claim close intergration with Flexo workflows (Nexus/Esko) and ability to show misregistration in the proof

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                        • #13
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                          >I have the fancy Z printer running with gmg and I love it.

                          Cool. I'd be interested to know how it performs for you over the long term (how often print heads need replacing, clogging issues, frequency of calibration and how far it drifts between, ect).

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                          • #14
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                            Michael,

                            If your customers had a Z series printer that auto-calibrated, all you would really need is the standard ICC profile for that proofer/paper/ink combo from the manufacturer, correct? And then you could let your proofing rip take care of the conversion from press profile to proofer profile (same as you do now, except without having to create the proofer profile from their sent calibration chart)? Sounds great.

                            Don

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                            • #15
                              Re: Remote Proofing

                              Hi

                              Remote proofing is posilble and practical. I am working on a project where the printer is remote proofing with a view to going to press side softproofing in the future. The publishing client softproofs the pages, and as the soft proofing inferstucture is not yet in the printers, the printer produces 'remote proofs' on their proofing systems.

                              We use the Fogra Media Wedge and the new ISO 12647/7 standard for proof control, but have halved the De figures for average, maximum and pimaries.

                              A test forme is also run monthy at the printers and client and compared visually, the best test of all.


                              Regards

                              Paul Sherfield
                              The Missing Horse Consultancy

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