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    We're currently looking into the option of getting Webway. Any experience here? Thanks

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    Re: Webway

    I've been using it for the past 3 weeks and it seems OK. Kind of slow, though and sometimes it won't rasterize the PDF if it's large. (we do a lot of large format printing -81" sheetfed presses)

    We are scheduled for Kodak InSite install next week so I get to compare -HA.

    T

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    • #3
      Re: Webway

      We bought it with Nexus. Webway will not use the Raster workflows in Nexus, and must use the Vector workflows. I don't have any knowledge as to how Webway works with Neo, etc., but since I couldn't make type edits on the imported PDFs, I never put Webway into production. The reason I couldn't make type edits is because upon import, the user would have to choose if they wanted the fonts outlined or kept as real type. If outlined, the type is not editable, but looks correct for output. If kept as real type, the fonts must be resident on the system to be seen or edited in ArtPro (which is not even possible since the fonts came embedded in the incoming PDF).

      Also, Webway is not color managed, so your customer is not looking at correct color, just content.

      Also, before we stopped support, Webway updates/upgrades were released a few times, and the last one I had wasn't even useable. You would launch the viewer from within the browser and once you turned off a separation, it never looked correct again on-screen. I would go with a color accurate remote soft-proofing solution if I could go back and have input to what was bought.

      Don

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      • #4
        Re: Webway

        Webway, as far as I know, is only for posting softproof PDF to a web browser for viewing. You can't use it as any kind of editor??? Once the PDF hits the Webway server it gets rasterized, thus no edits. I think it can be color managed if the monitor is calibrated that is using the Webway viewer. I like the intergration with Nexus and hotfolders...

        T

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        • #5
          Re: Webway

          No, you can't use it to edit. The .view or .pdf file is viewed over the internet by your customer in their browser. They can either send a new document with the changes needed (if any needed), or they can make notes in Webway, and the notes are posted in Webway for you to look at and make changes to the Artpro file (or to the PDF if using Neo). What I was saying was that I couldn't make type changes with ArtPro because the fonts were outlined upon import, but these type changes could be made with Neo (which does use the fonts embedded into the PDF to allow editing of type). I'm not sure how that would work, since I don't have Neo or TotalRip, but I imagine it would, and this is the one area why I didn't put Webway into production, because I have to be able to fully edit what comes to me, whether it be native files or PDF, and that includes (in the least) being able to make type changes.

          Don

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          • #6
            Re: Webway

            We've been using Pitstop to edit. How is Neo as an editor?

            T

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            • #7
              Re: Webway

              Neo is the best PDF editor I've used. I wish OneVision would get back with me and let me try their PDF editor so that I could see which one is better (I got the dongle and software a while back but don't remember ever trying it out although I have contacted them multiple times to do so).

              Don

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              • #8
                Re: Webway

                If I understand you guys correctly, you'd best keep separate AP and webway PDF files in some way. (sorry to be so ignorant but it's all new to me).

                Next week I'm having someone from AWS over here for a demo of Webway. Any tips on what I should look into before or during that demo?


                Would it be wise to wait for Webway 5?

                Thanks!

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                • #9
                  Re: Webway

                  You would archive the original PDF and also the ArtPro file (if using ArtPro), but I'm looking forward to using something like Neo, where the original PDF keeps its original PDF version all the way through the workflow and is not converted to another proprietary format, and trapping is put on another layer so that it can be easily deleted, which I don't know if Neo does or not).

                  Don

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                  • #10
                    Re: Webway

                    Webway is strictly for customer file transfers and collaboration. I've used it for content soft-proofing and customer review of color breakouts. You can assign profiles for viewing but there requires experience on all ends to calibrate and match viewing conditions. I've had it for over 1 year and have found our more technical customers like it capabilities but the rest of our customer base prefers not to use it. If you like you can call me for more specific details (323)263-8400 x656.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Webway

                      I'm Polish AWS softwarre distributor and product specialist. I'm playing with WebWay quite match - specially with integration with Nexus and Odystar - Both in Commercial and Packaging systems WebWay allows you to share, use, edit, exchange and use workflow system in both sides. It means that You can use your system individually in your home. Based on workflows and connection you can run your work@home. I'ts only a matter whah really You wants.
                      If you've got more questions send me priv request on ls@pxl.pl
                      I'll send You some info about WW 5.0;
                      Best regards L.S.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Webway

                        Don (et al.)

                        You and "T" must have misunderstood something, that is principal to WebWay's working: WebWay *does not* change the incoming PDF in any way.
                        The rasterising you both refer to, is done internally into a completely separate file and is for the Java applet display purposes only - the original, actual job-PDF is never touched. In strictly that sense you may think of WebWay as simply a web server. There is no reason whatsoever to have separate PDFs for WebWay and ArtPro - quite the contrary. One of the major point of WebWay is that all revieweing, commenting and acceptance is made on *one* single file. There is no possibility of differing versions around, causing misinterpretations and conflicting correction requests.

                        So whatever problems you may have with fonts etc. cannot be caused by WebWay itself.
                        It seems to me that you may be confusing in your post the importing of files to Nexus (and later routing them to WebWay) as opposed to importing PDF files to Webway - as you speak about looking the file later on ArtPro. WebWay viewing always takes place on your general web browser like Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari etc. No relation to Artpro.
                        You are correct in stating that vectorising fonts on Nexus import stage will make you lose editability but gain security in font correctness. But this has no direct connection to WebWay itself and should not be construed as a problem of WebWay.

                        As WebWay is purely a collaboration and web proofing solution, whose connectivity to any preceding or succeeding workflows is based on drop folders (or modular connection in case of AWS workflows like Odystar or Nexus), there is currently no direct connectivity to Neo (as of v1.1.5) - at least that I know of...

                        WebWay offers partial support for colour management (as George Fernandez said) in that you can specify proofing and output profiles for more accurate simulation on screen. However the end-user's monitors may or may not be calibrated, so there can be no guarantee of colour accurate display there. This is fairly new and evolving functionality, that should perhaps be still considered as 'work-in-progress'.

                        You may want to contact your local AWS (EskoArtwork) representative for additional details. I fear you may losing a lot of benefits left unused on your Webway...

                        (Please note: I am an Application Specialist for the finnish distributor of AWS products. While I have received extensive training on AWS products, there may be details where my knowledge is incomplete or erroneus.)

                        Jukka

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                        • #13
                          Re: Webway

                          Jukka,

                          I guess I didn't make myself clear. Webway is where files come in from our customers (if I utilize Webway). Webway initiates input of incoming PDF into a Nexus workflow. Nexus' raster workflow can't be used, only Nexus' vector workflows can be used. Using Nexus' vector workflows mandates either keeping fonts as "real" (editable) fonts (in which case I would have to have the loose fonts I could install on the editing system, and I don't have the loose fonts because they are embedded into the incoming PDF) or outline fonts (which is what I have to do because of what I just said). The output file from Webway is a .view file that can't be used for anything but Webway viewing via the internet.

                          So no, Webway is not the problem in this scenario. Artpro not being able to use the fonts embedded in the incoming PDF is the problem (where if I was using Neo as my editor, then I could use the fonts embedded in the incoming PDF, so could know I'm using the customer's fonts).

                          If I'm asked to edit after preflighting, then I need to be able to do that edit, even if it is to the type, and know I'm using the customer's fonts. This is why I never implemented Webway into production. That, and the fact that upgrade to Nexus 8 screwed up my Sherpa2 proofing (causing banding), and AWS didn't fix the problem, so I had no choice but to go back to Nexus 7.5.

                          But Webway has to interact with something, and in my case a Nexus vector workflow is all their is, and it doesn't let me edit type like I would have the need to do.

                          Don

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                          • #14
                            Can somebody put it into words for me? We have been using Webway for a year now and going good. Today my boss viewed a job on his computer and doesn't like the way it views. Not as sharp as viewing it in acrobat. If you zoom in its sharper and readable but at 100% its not. Very slight differance. I'm telling him thats the way it is. He says we spent a lot of money on webway and it should be better. FIX IT! Is this a resolution/viewing thing? or does he have legitimate beef?

                            Thanks

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                            • #15
                              Hi Don,

                              I will have someone from our commercial division get in touch with you. I don't know why your requests haven't gone through. If you have a chance, PM and let me know when you last requested a trial.

                              Regards,
                              Greg

                              Systems Engineer
                              OneVision, Inc.
                              Premedia Software Inc.

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