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  • Preps for perfect bound book, no bleed on the inside

    HI,
    Just asking the experts on Preps layout.
    My finishers ask me to do a layout for perfect bound book but for the inside bleed to have to printing included. So no bleed on the inside edge but keep the distance of 3mm. Allegedly it's better for gluing not to have the printing where the pages are shredded and glued together.
    Is there a quick way to do it or do I have to drag the pdf into InDesign, export it without inside bleed and put it into my layout inside Preps?
    Thnx R.

  • #2
    Originally posted by redlik View Post
    Is there a quick way to do it or do I have to drag the pdf into InDesign, export it without inside bleed and put it into my layout inside Preps?
    Thnx R.
    So far as i know in PREPS (5.3) there is only an all around standard bleed, so that means the new export from Indesign is faster than foreground placed "white" rectangles to hide the unwanted bleed in every place whre needed in the bound in the signature.

    Take care by using the bleedbox regarding the central position from left to right by placing the pages...

    Last edited by Ulrich; 03-29-2018, 07:05 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ulrich View Post

      So far as i know in PREPS (5.3) there is only an all around standard bleed, so that means the new export from Indesign is faster than foreground placed "white" rectangles to hide the unwanted bleed in every place whre needed in the bound in the signature.

      Take care by using the bleedbox regarding the central position from left to right by placing the pages...
      That's not true. You can manually set any bleed for page in preps 5.3 and any preps. And preps do not use bleed box - only trimbox.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cementary View Post

        That's not true. You can manually set any bleed for page in preps 5.3 and any preps. And preps do not use bleed box - only trimbox.
        True, you can specify separate bleed for all sides, but they're not "facing pages" aware - there's no inside/outside just L/R so I would have to change left or right depending if it's front or back of the sheet.
        Aaaa well.

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        • #5
          For our perfect bound work, we set the bleed to 0 on the spine side. Running Preps 8 now but has been the same since preps 5.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by johnny_jay View Post
            For our perfect bound work, we set the bleed to 0 on the spine side. Running Preps 8 now but has been the same since preps 5.
            I actually couldn't find the bleed just for spine side. Or maybe I'm missing something, I'm on 7.1

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            • #7
              It changes the front and back of the sheet at the same time. You can select all LHP's on the front and change the bleed on the right to zero and it will change the left side bleed of the RHP's on the back. Then select all LHP's on the from and change the bleed on the left to zero and it will change the right side bleed of the LHP's on the back. Then make your spacing between those pages to the bleed you took out * 2 (you took bleed out of two pages so the spacing would be your normal bleed of one page * 2).
              Joe
              OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redlik View Post

                I actually couldn't find the bleed just for spine side. Or maybe I'm missing something, I'm on 7.1
                For RHP's it would be the bleed for the left side and LHP's would be the bleed for the right side.
                Joe
                OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by redlik View Post

                  I actually couldn't find the bleed just for spine side. Or maybe I'm missing something, I'm on 7.1
                  For standard layout odd pages will always have spine on the left, even on the right. When you set your bleed values at the front they automatically applies to the back


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joe View Post

                    For RHP's it would be the bleed for the left side and LHP's would be the bleed for the right side.
                    As Joe noted, you can select the pages and set the bleed to 0

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                    • #11
                      Where is that option, sorry? I can only change bleed with white arrow on individual pages, not the whole imposition...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by redlik View Post
                        Where is that option, sorry? I can only change bleed with white arrow on individual pages, not the whole imposition...
                        Yes that is the way you have to do it. But you can select multiple pages such as all RHP's by COMMAND+CLICK on a Mac. If you are on Windows I'm sure there is a key combo that allows that as well.
                        Joe
                        OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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                        • #13
                          That's the job! I can save one sheet as a template and re-use it for more section if needed. Cool! and thanks

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                          • #14
                            That is not actually bleed, that is binding "section" and you have to leave those 3 mm in spine because of the glue bind. The binding machine is cutting those 3mm and that is why they told you not to include actual bleed (as in you don't need any graphical content in that space but you need the space itself). If the book were intended to be sawed first, then you mustn't leave the empty space in spine because it will not be cut off and therefore will be just white stripe in the spine of every page in the book.

                            I hope this is helpful.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by djdjoric View Post
                              That is not actually bleed, that is binding "section" and you have to leave those 3 mm in spine because of the glue bind. The binding machine is cutting those 3mm and that is why they told you not to include actual bleed (as in you don't need any graphical content in that space but you need the space itself). If the book were intended to be sawed first, then you mustn't leave the empty space in spine because it will not be cut off and therefore will be just white stripe in the spine of every page in the book.

                              I hope this is helpful.
                              It was mentioned upthread to add space between the pages equal to the amount of 'bleed' removed.
                              Joe
                              OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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