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  • is there a way to choke a color in Prinergy?

    The scenario is I have a red square, 100% Magenta & 100% Yellow. Is there a way to universally choke Yellow so it prints just inside Magenta? This will apply to white texts on red, red objects...etc.

    The yellow square represents the area on the yellow plate and this area overprints the larger area on the Magenta plate even though it knocks out the Magenta in this illustration.

  • #2
    Originally posted by bumblebee View Post
    The scenario is I have a red square, 100% Magenta & 100% Yellow. Is there a way to universally choke Yellow so it prints just inside Magenta?
    Well, you should first chek in Acrobat with overprint preview, if Y truly knocks out M.
    In prinergy you should check your settings in colorconvert section of the refine process. Look for overprint conversion options. You can set all CMYK to knockout via first checkbox:
    Clip2net_190110123648.png

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    • #3
      The easiest way would be to create your red box with a very thin magenta stroke.
      Joe
      OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joe View Post
        The easiest way would be to create your red box with a very thin magenta stroke.

        well, that might work for that red box Joe, but - perhaps you missed - "This will apply to white texts on red, red objects."

        dont you have the trapping tools in Prinergy ?

        https://workflowhelp.kodak.com/displ...ocess+template
        Michael Jahn - Slightly used PDF Evangelist
        Simi Valley California

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        • #5
          Yes, it's possible by using the Cutback feature in the Prinergy trapper. It's the same idea as Rich Black trapping, where CMY gets pulled back from all white (non-ink) edges. This is also often referred to as pull-back. The Cutback feature in Prinergy is separate from automatic Rich Black trapping, as Cutback was designed for "Spotless" (expanded gamut printing) where many solid objects are composite colors made without Black and users often want separate controls for these. All other inks get choked back from the "Primary" (darkest) non-black ink in the blend.

          I've included a screen capture that shows Cutback settings in the Trap Editor and results after applying cutback to the Red object.



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          • #6
            michaelejahn, SZmetana,
            guys, where did you find word "trapping" in TS post ?
            Anyway, one need to buy advanced trapping feature to use cutback.
            And michaele, what is your scenario for use of trapping on MY objects? All our offset presses are capable to perfectly register 2 plates in 4c jobs (even large ones, with the help of geometry compensation, but still...)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by michaelejahn View Post


              well, that might work for that red box Joe, but - perhaps you missed - "This will apply to white texts on red, red objects."

              dont you have the trapping tools in Prinergy ?

              https://workflowhelp.kodak.com/displ...ocess+template
              Yeah I did miss that part. Hadn't had my first cup of coffee yet.

              And yes as SZmetana pointed out Prinergy can do this.
              Joe
              OS: Mac OS X 10.10.2 - RIP: Prinergy Connect 6.1 - CTP: Luscher XPose! 160 (2)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cementary View Post
                michaelejahn, SZmetana,
                guys, where did you find word "trapping" in TS post ?
                Anyway, one need to buy advanced trapping feature to use cutback.
                And michaele, what is your scenario for use of trapping on MY objects? All our offset presses are capable to perfectly register 2 plates in 4c jobs (even large ones, with the help of geometry compensation, but still...)
                I did not read / find the word trapping. I read the word "choke". Like the word "spread", chokes and spreads were terms we used back in the day before digital trapping. I am 63, and back in the 80s I think we also had guys using fatties and Skinnys.

                http://printwiki.org/Spreads_and_Chokes

                I think Aldus TrapWise actually used these terms in its manuals.

                I am fairly confident that the OP ( bumblebee ) was asking about how to accomplish a trap, although - like you - perhaps they are confused - as the Magenta stroke is probably overprinting the yellow square to make that 100 M and 100Y rule around that yellow box, so, proabably no need for any trapping in that example image.

                Michael Jahn - Slightly used PDF Evangelist
                Simi Valley California

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by michaelejahn View Post
                  I am 63, and back in the 80s I think we also had guys using fatties and Skinnys.
                  Well, now i am ashamed (being twice younger)
                  "Live and learn"


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cementary View Post

                    Well, now i am ashamed (being twice younger)
                    "Live and learn"

                    trapping used to be done in a vacuum frame with film when I used to have hair. Now we can do all sorts of way more fancy / complex things, including looking at Trap Previews


                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8lqGB993Tc

                    even with dots before committing

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xer1ez4jB90

                    .

                    Michael Jahn - Slightly used PDF Evangelist
                    Simi Valley California

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by michaelejahn View Post

                      trapping used to be done in a vacuum frame with film when I used to have hair. Now we can do all sorts of way more fancy / complex things, including looking at Trap Previews

                      Oh yes, those halcyon days of trapping in a vacuum frame, 20 pieces of film for a single 4 colour forme, some with acetate underlays, others with Rubilith masks, how I pine for those simple times

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                      • #12
                        we should bring back "fatties" and "skinnys" as standards.

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