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    Hey folks, new to PrintPlanet. Been working with Prinergy for about 3 months and just curious about a few things. 1st. We're using Kodaks' Matchprint SM235 media paper to proof on a 7800 Epson proofer. Does anyone know of any 2 sided papers that are close to this paper in quality (maybe a little thinner would be ideal) but come in a two sided version? I would need sheets or rolls 24" or larger. I'm trying to be to get our customers a proof that I can fold and trim for a finished, stitched 8.5 x 11 (maybe 40 pages or less) but also be O.K. for color quality. Am I asking too much or does the rest of the world just use cheap, 2 sided imposition paper for the mock-up and output an additional set of proofs on the high quality semi-gloss/semi-matte paper. I'm trying to avoid making 2 sets of proofs to save time and materials. Also, does anyone know if I can get a paper made by someone other than Kodak to calibrate using the "Proofer Client" software?


    Any thoughts?

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    Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

    We do both, a backed-up low res SpinJet and a nice color proof for 4 color work. For simple jobs, like spot color one sided, with set the SpinJet ink reduction low and it works just fine!

    Danny

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      Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

      We do both, a backed-up low res SpinJet and a nice color proof for 4 color work. For simple jobs, like spot color one sided, we set the SpinJet ink reduction low and it works just fine!

      Danny

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        Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

        I'm not aware of a two sided contract quality media in sheets or rolls. There is a good two sided sheet media for dye only printers, but obviously, you have Ultrachrome. The problem with using a dye media on pigmented (Ultrachrome) is that saturation and shadow detail will not be as good as it is on dye paper. L* blacks on dye paper using pigmented inks will not get below 11 or 12, whereas L* blacks on high quality contract paper using the same pigmented inks will get as low as 4. Big difference in shadow detail and saturation.

        As far as finding a non-Kodak media to work with your system ask your dealer about Midstates Graphics and they should be able to recommend a replacement media. You are also free to contact me if you need additional help in defining the correct media.
        Bob Hill
        Mid-States Graphics

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        • #5
          Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

          We have tried the expensive stuff for our Agfa SherpaMatic, but switched to a cheaper paper which does the job just fine. It's manufactured by OUTRÉ. We get it in a 43" x 250' roll. It's under $200 cdn, which is a huge savings over any brand name manufacturer. Check it out!

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          • #6
            Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

            I also recently switched to Outré from DuPont Digital Dylux and I am not looking back. I use 20815 CB100S2 on my SpinJets.

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              Re: Mult-purpose 2 sided proofing paper

              Hi, we've been doing double-sided coated and uncoated contract proofing on sheets with Bestcolor rips through Epsons for 6 years. Call John Zaccardi at The Cartolith Group 508-326-4175. I buy his papers through Pitman. - Roger

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              • #8
                Alameda Company

                Originally posted by jinthebay View Post
                Hey folks, new to PrintPlanet. Been working with Prinergy for about 3 months and just curious about a few things. 1st. We're using Kodaks' Matchprint SM235 media paper to proof on a 7800 Epson proofer. Does anyone know of any 2 sided papers that are close to this paper in quality (maybe a little thinner would be ideal) but come in a two sided version? I would need sheets or rolls 24" or larger. I'm trying to be to get our customers a proof that I can fold and trim for a finished, stitched 8.5 x 11 (maybe 40 pages or less) but also be O.K. for color quality. Am I asking too much or does the rest of the world just use cheap, 2 sided imposition paper for the mock-up and output an additional set of proofs on the high quality semi-gloss/semi-matte paper. I'm trying to avoid making 2 sets of proofs to save time and materials. Also, does anyone know if I can get a paper made by someone other than Kodak to calibrate using the "Proofer Client" software?


                Any thoughts?
                Alameda Company offers a product that is a 2 sided PHOTOBASE product which you can fold down for contract quality proofs - pretty expensive and the sheet slightly differs from side to side, but if color isn't critical and you want a 2 side photobase, it is available.

                This PHOTOBASE product differs from the Digital DuPont Dylux type (2-Side coated BOND paper) products Alameda Company offers for SpinJets and other 2 sided printing devices. The PLUS product is the high quality/heavy ink load product which is recommended for these 2 side printing devices. Call Bob O'Neill at Alameda Company at (925) 209-9678 for more info and samples.

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