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  • inez
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    I'm in much the same fix that some of your clients are in. I'm limping along on 350MHz G4-Yikes. Nothing $5,000 wouldn't cure, ha! Fortunately I was able to fix my old PowerLook III scanner with a $35 part

    inez

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  • Joe
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    In the example I site he just upgraded to Quark 7 from Quark 4. I advised him against it but Quark assured him it would be okay...or so he tells me. That's why he can't believe Quark can't handle the newer PDF's he's receiving. I do have other customers still using Quark 4 and 5 and also customers that still use PageMaker. They are experiencing the same problems with PDF's supplied to them that they can't use. I keep telling them they need to upgrade to InDesign but these customers are running OS 9 on G3's and G4 so their upgrade path is a lot more expensive than just upgrading the software. For now they all send me their files they can't place. It started as a trickle and I would fix them as a courtesy. Now it's becoming a river of work that I have had to start charging them for. Oh well...job security for me but Quark is pissing off their customers.

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  • inez
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    > {quote:title=alang66 wrote:}{quote}
    > 1 Flattening - while not necessarily a bad thing, with customer approval via Acrobat and the problem with "Smooth linework" preference in it, you continually get customers coming back and asking what the feint white lines are (and you're never 100% sure they aren't going to appear on output).

    Precisely why I don't allow postscript or Illustrator to handle flattening. But, while my previously mentioned workaround (however bass ackwards) gets the job done for me, Joe's client apparently has no workarounds and doesn't want to pay for the one option he does have. Quark didn't +lie+ to him, he can import a PDF, they just left out the qualifiers (or he didn't want to hear them). He needs to address his issue with Quark in precise detail. IF/when he gets his answer he'll realize he has to pay Joe or pay Adobe, or limit what he accepts.

    Joe, out of curiosity, what version of Quark is your client using?

    inez

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  • inez
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    > {quote:title=Joe wrote:}{quote}
    > I agree but he has no control, according to him, over what his advertisers send him.
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    > I see this as a problem that is only going to get worse for Quark users. But hey, if they want to keep fightin' it, I can keep fixin' it for them. (And charge them of course at which point I'd probably mention if they had got InDesign they wouldn't be having this problem.)

    Well, I'm afraid it's his problem to work out then. He can continue to let you keep doing it, control what kind of ads he accepts, or buy a software solution.

    For now I have my workarounds. Gotta do whatcha gotta do.

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  • alang66
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    Two points seem important in all of this:

    1 Flattening - while not necessarily a bad thing, with customer approval via Acrobat and the problem with "Smooth linework" preference in it, you continually get customers coming back and asking what the feint white lines are (and you're never 100% sure they aren't going to appear on output).
    2 Complete transparency supported solutions are the way forward. I was disappointed to find that Quark had implemented some transparency and then stuck to a flattened output for everything. You should really be able to make PDF1.4> PDF from Quark but it don't.

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  • Joe
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    > {quote:title=inez wrote:}{quote}
    > I have no idea what Quark told your client, or what info your client told Quark. If your client really only has Quark and Reader to work with (no other apps), *then he needs to require PDF 1.3 (or X-1a?) or flattened EPS from those sending him files.* Yes?
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    > My respectful 2 cents,
    > inez

    I agree but he has no control, according to him, over what his advertisers send him.

    I see this as a problem that is only going to get worse for Quark users. But hey, if they want to keep fightin' it, I can keep fixin' it for them. (And charge them of course at which point I'd probably mention if they had got InDesign they wouldn't be having this problem.)

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  • inez
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    I can't join the InDesign vs Quark battle because I'm trapped in the 20th century of equipment and apps. I work in OS 9.2.2 with QXP 4.11, AI 9.0.3, PS 6.0.2 and Distiller 4. For my use I can never import client ad files directly anyway, so if I get a PDF it gets rebuilt. But, when I use transparency in AI, like an opacity mask, I pre-flatten before it ever goes in my Quark layout. Since I find AI 9's Flattening Transparency feature hinky and unpredictable, I usually select the relevant objects and rasterize them, possibly copy/pasting the result to PS to add noise when needed, saving, then replacing the image in AI. But, all nice and flat pre-QXP. Yeah, maybe I'm working my a** off for chump change, but I get 'er done.

    I have no idea what Quark told your client, or what info your client told Quark. If your client really only has Quark and Reader to work with (no other apps), then he needs to require PDF 1.3 (or X-1a?) or flattened EPS from those sending him files. Yes?

    My respectful 2 cents,
    inez

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  • Joe
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    > {quote:title=Shawn wrote:}{quote}
    > The best way I've found to deal with late model PDFs in Quark is to save them as an EPS out of Acrobat.
    >
    > Save As and choose EPS from the menu then click on settings and set PS language level, font embedding, preview type and transparency flattening before saving the file. Your exact settings will vary depending on your RIP.
    >
    > It's not exactly the same a placing a PDF, but it's a whole lot safer.
    >
    > Shawn

    My customer only has Quark and Acrobat Reader. I know how to fix them but he doesn't want us to have to do it. He wants to do it himself. With Quark. The company that told him he could do it.

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  • Shawn
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    The best way I've found to deal with late model PDFs in Quark is to save them as an EPS out of Acrobat.

    Save As and choose EPS from the menu then click on settings and set PS language level, font embedding, preview type and transparency flattening before saving the file. Your exact settings will vary depending on your RIP.

    It's not exactly the same a placing a PDF, but it's a whole lot safer.

    Shawn

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  • Dov Isaacs
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    Actually, new RIPs with the Adobe PDF Print Engine are not "flattening transparency" in the same sense that Acrobat flattens transparency when creating PostScript or that the old PDFtoPS component of the Adobe CPSI-based RIPs output PDF with live transparency. The Adobe PDF Print Engine reconciles transparency as part of the rendering process at device resolution and device color.

    The issue of "early transparency flattening" is that traditional transparency flattening, whether done as part of the PDF placement process in QuarkXPress or the output process of any application going directly to PostScript or a PDF version less than PDF 1.4, requires up-front knowledge of the device resolution and colorspaces to properly flatten. Items with pre-flattened transparency are very limited in terms of repurposing, especially with regards to scaling.

    The workflows that are potentially most reliable are those in which content is maintained at the highest level of abstraction (including device resolution and color space issues) until final rendering (RIPing).

    - Dov

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  • Joe
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    Any PDF that is above 1.3 is iffy with Quark. You may be able to place it...you may not. In my experience I cannot place any PDF that has been exported from InDesign. Also in my experience you cannot output correctly if you do get a PDF into Quark that contains transparency. I have a customer that has figured out a way to place a PDF with transparency into a Quark document. They don't display or print correctly but they do show an image of sorts on the page and they are listed in the links. The problem is that he is supplied these PDF's with transparency, has no control over how they are sent to him, has no knowledge of how to fix them, and then expects us (the printer) to fix them so they print correctly. Oh yeah, he doesn't want to be charged for this either because Quark told him he could place PDF's into his document. The silence from Quark over this issue is deafening.

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  • rmstorm
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    At the end of the day, the new RIPs with PDF Print Engine are still flattening transparency.

    Again, PDF 1.6 can be placed in Quark. It is not always necessary or even ideal so workarounds are required particularly as you note with how Quark handles transparency.

    So we can agree that Quark/PDF 1.6 may not the best solution but I stress the final printed piece will look the same - if you do it right.

    Edited by: Randy on Aug 31, 2007 12:15 PM

    Edited by: Randy on Aug 31, 2007 12:21 PM

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  • beermonster
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    not strictly true

    new versions of rips have the pdf print engine and will render/rip it correctly

    i just pdf'd from illy cs3 - 1.6 - would not import into quack 7.3

    maybe i'll distill it then place it in - which will possibly screw up the transparency anyway - so the question is - a 1.6 with transparency

    and if you can - quack only uses postscript so you cant even keep the transparency live to the new rip/pdf print engine

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  • rmstorm
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    Yes, I agree, that the transparency will be flattened at some point with a PDF 1.6 placed in Quark. But so will a PDF 1.6 out of InDesign or Acrobat that eventually hits a RIP. And the printed piece, post RIP, will look the same regardless which of the 3 programs you choose to use. Of course, one has to be careful about when and how one flattens transparency. But the original quesetion was can PDF 1.6 placed in Quark and the answer is yes!

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  • beermonster
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    exactly.

    the answer to the question is it wont work

    you could try to pdf out of indy to a 1.3, or pdf out of acrobat again to a 1.3, but it will all be flattened and ruined (potentially)

    but then he knows that anyway - dontya mate!

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