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  • #16
    Ive noticed more quotes coming through my desk and higher quantities.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Slammer View Post

      Oh! Uh! Wow! Why should companies not be forced to adhere to, at least, basic ethical principles, pay you a living wage and stick to the rules. Why not try to get a grip on unfettered predator capitalism like you see in the states? Whats wrong with making sure that you have clean air to breathe, that you are able to drink the water and that your kids are sure to be fed. That your granny can go to hospital along with you, your wife and your kids without fear of poverty. That you get a living wage, and enough holidays, sorry vacation, to enjoy it, or that your wife can get up to two years to look after your kids when they have been born, paid for by insurance that we all pay into. If I lose my job then I can expect to receive a certain amount of money each month for a set period or as long until my unemployment insurance has run out and if after that period I still don´t have a job then I can expect the state to give me a wage that will ensure that I don´t have to turn to crime to survive. Why is it so wrong to have a state that will take care of you if you fall on hard times in the grand lottery of life and struggle to get back on your feet? You won´t have a great life and you won´t be living off free money as I will be paying for you and your neighbour will pay for you as will everybody else in the country and we will not let you starve and your children will be able to go to school or university and you will get the medicine that you need to stay sane, but we will expect you to pay into the system when you can and we will expect that you have paid your part into the system, a socialist system that is there to support us all if we fall short. Yes it is a restrictive system, but in a way that makes sense, it´s not perfect by a long shot but it´s the best we have and I personally would not want it to be replaced by anything else.
      Slammer stop slamming.

      Where do you live, by the way?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by PricelineNegotiator View Post

        Slammer stop slamming.

        Where do you live, by the way?
        At the moment, Malta, the one in the Med.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Slammer View Post

          At the moment, Malta, the one in the Med.
          Good for you. Socialism is not a long term solution for any country, human nature will simply triumph and corruption or any number of other factors will bring it down the total efficiency of the system just enough to make it fail. Looks good on paper, horrible in practice, due to humans being humans.

          In any case, the address last night was great. The economy is for certain in an upswing.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by PricelineNegotiator View Post

            Good for you. Socialism is not a long term solution for any country, human nature will simply triumph and corruption or any number of other factors will bring it down the total efficiency of the system just enough to make it fail. Looks good on paper, horrible in practice, due to humans being humans.

            In any case, the address last night was great. The economy is for certain in an upswing.
            Sadly that is true, human nature will win over in the end, but for the moment it is working and governments around Europe are at least trying to make it sustainable. But, Maggie Thatcher once said that: “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” ergo, it´s a continent wide Ponzi scheme and as long as there are people paying into the system it will work-ish. Thing is the population is falling faster than a bag of hammers tied to an anvil. If only there was a way to get masses of people into the continent... Oh wait!

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            • #21
              You'd think we could only have one or the other. Neither free market capitalism or whatever one decides to call 'socialism' are going to the ash heap of history any time soon. The 'human nature' argument is pretty useless. Both competition and cooperation have made us such awesome primates.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Slammer View Post
                If only there was a way to get masses of people into the continent... Oh wait!
                Unfortunately, that is the very last thing you want. Culture is something which is not easily rebuilt.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Danny Whitehead View Post
                  The 'human nature' argument is pretty useless.
                  What do you mean by useless?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by PricelineNegotiator View Post

                    Unfortunately, that is the very last thing you want. Culture is something which is not easily rebuilt.
                    Sure, but I'm sure you're doing your part with the occasional tribal dance.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by arossetti View Post

                      What do you mean by useless?
                      I think it's a bit of a blind alley. It can be used to support anything from a complete every-man-for-himself ideology to the forced sharing of everything equally. We're both a competitive and cooperative species. I'd rather talk about what actually benefits us.

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                      • #26
                        Definitely business has gone up since Trump took over. New clients starting businesses, older clients spending more. Cannot complain!

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                        • #27
                          No real change in business that I've noticed. I mostly just see house prices steadily climbing waiting to burst again like no one learned anything.

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                          • #28
                            One "uptick" if you want to call it that is I read that Ford are selling 2000 pickups a day since Trumpy got into power, I wonder if they would sell as many if fuel actually cost something? All in all Ford shares soar, buyers happy, environment loses, but who cares about the stupid environment?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Slammer View Post
                              One "uptick" if you want to call it that is I read that Ford are selling 2000 pickups a day since Trumpy got into power, I wonder if they would sell as many if fuel actually cost something? All in all Ford shares soar, buyers happy, environment loses, but who cares about the stupid environment?
                              Ford pickup sales have been increasing steadily over the years ( http://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-mo...sales-numbers/ ) so I don't think that Trump can take any credit for that.
                              Ford share prices haven't exactly been soaring. In fact, if anything, it's been on a downward trend.

                              Ford share.jpg

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DYP View Post

                                Absolutely. Same snake two different heads. I am just pointing out the fallacy of government control, mandates and excessive taxation and what that does to producers of wealth and the negative effects on economic reality. Amazing how the fantasyland numbskulls want to make a political debate out of it.
                                Ooopsie, held the graph the wrong way round, what a klutz I am, but almost 2500 trucks a day??? Wow!

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