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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    My concern is getting higher quality prints. If there is no improvement I don't need unnecessary tech. They make it sound like software enhancements have greatly improved and now we can get much smoother gradations in the print. Maybe its all marketing ploys.
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    I used to feel that way and have had my shares of headaches BUT in modern digital age paying 5 figures for a controller I expect much much more. If controllers cost $1-3k I feel differently. The amount they are charging warrants optional technological improvements and enhancements.
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Somehow fiery was behind konica by a whole version with my printer C6100.
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Thank you for pointing this out. I was starting to feel I'm spending $10k on ancient technology. Some of the press releases made it sound like a super innovation for digital production printers.
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    It has good reviews on amazon and an extended 4 month return policy. I was originally going to buy a used duplo. I will bid it out but in past I have rarely seen books under $2. This has color cover and bw middle so running in house $0.50/ea no labor just file print (paper cost included)...
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but newer version of APPE the higher the software quality of the print/rip? ie KM controller is at v4.2 whereas fiery is only at v3.0? Like would you base your decision to buy one controller over another based on APPE if you are trying to compare quality?
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    What about printing bw 6x9? Yes I am ordering the perfect binder from amazon for $500. I do plan on using my minolta pb binder for 30 page books as labor costs for 10k mini books would be pretty expensive. Regarding riso, would it be a good choice for 20lb bw 6x9 duplex for inside book...
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Will they upgrade FS300 to be APPE 5.0? KM iC-604 is at APPE 4.2.
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    I am in the market for a print controller, do I wait until KM releases it for C6100? I wish the C12000 fiery was backward compatible with C6100. Eventually I may get a C12000 years from now. The IC-313 for C6100 comes with F200 Pro.
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    I got rid of my Mercedes as it cost more in service then it did to buy it. Went and bought a Toyota Land Cruiser and very happy now even though its nowhere near the luxury of a benz but have spent next to nothing servicing it over 150k miles. It doesn't drive like a benz but it is super...
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    Fiery vs KMBS print controller

    Which stacker?
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Well, I agree on windows 10. I am still on Windows 7 for that reason. But when spending sooo much money on cutting edge technology it doesn't make sense to be years behind. Especially since adobe is a reputable company that I'm sure has greatly improved their product in last 2 versions. This...
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    Thanks for the advice. Working on all these steps. Is your 0.0285 color figure in dollars or pounds? When looking up bw machines I came across something called a RISO. How do they compare to a konica minolta? They claim super super cheap PPC rates like 25% of a km. We do make small 6x9...
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    PRINT CONTROLLERS & APPE (PDF PRINT ENGINE) 5.0?

    Considering how many tens of thousands of dollars go into a print controller why wouldn't manufacturers be quick to update them to offer the latest in technology. See Adobe Print Engine 5.0 is out but none of the manufacturers have bothered upgrading to it. If I am writing a check for $10k+ I...
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    Prices were very cheap in our industry. They were done on printing presses not digital due to super thick 450 gsm stock. The reason I bought the C6100 is so I can print 400 gsm, if C6100 can handle it I may push it to 450 gsm. I do know Minoltas underrate their machines years ago. I have a...
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    You are correct, I misspoke. We spent low 6 figures annually on printing we were contracting out (pre-covid). We have to buy in 25-50k lots to get price breaks so we ended up throwing away excess printed materials. Over the years we saved many hundreds of thousands dollars worth I just...
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    KONICA MINOLTA C6100 PRINT CONTROLLER

    Looking for any print controller for a Konica Minolta C6100: IC-604 IC-313 IC-315 IC-314 Needs to be cheap. new/used
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    Yes last I checked $4.35 a couple years ago. Probably $4.75/ea now with PPC annual increases
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    Exactly what I'm thinking. 5 years ago offline perfect binders were running $10k+ on used market. I bought a crappy chinese one off ebay for $3k which didnt work. Now chinese knock offs look like they have gotten better: fastbind knockoff $500 fastbind $5000 just got off the phone with my...
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    Pay Per Click vs Pay Per Visit

    Maybe I need to get away from perfect binder finisher. It saved us manually labor esp on small books which I think would have been a nightmare. I also print 8.5x11" full color books (500 pages each)

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