AccurioPress vs AccurioPrint vs Bizhub

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kalxn

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Greetings, I had been reading the forums here, but was wondering, have you guys tried printing from these kinds of machines?
Which of these three are adequate for book printing, or are they all good enough to print books?
And don't the printed text on the pages fades? Like when an inkjet printer has a water droplet penetrates the paper, washing the ink?
Sorry, I'm just newbie here, but my most important concern is, when printing books only, and has nothing to do with envelopes or brochures and other things.
Planning to buy my very first machine for my small publishing house in the Philippines.
Thank You to all.
 
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Puch

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Hello. Those machines working according to the 'xerographic" principle, so they fix the ink by heat on the paper. Once fixed, the text and images are very stable. Water might ruin the top layer of the paper, and that's when the ink (wax) layer may come off. But it takes a lot of water (like rain) not some tiny drops.
 
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kalxn

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Hello. Those machines working according to the 'xerographic" principle, so they fix the ink by heat on the paper. Once fixed, the text and images are very stable. Water might ruin the top layer of the paper, and that's when the ink (wax) layer may come off. But it takes a lot of water (like rain) not some tiny drops.
Thank You Puch, I'm now more aware. I will remember this.
 

Ynot_UK

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Which of these three are adequate for book printing, or are they all good enough to print books?
A bit of background for you - all three you mention are Konica Minolta series' of machines and within each there are models with different capabilities.
The current situation (for the past few years)... "Bizhub" is the name given to office multi-function printers (MFPs), AccurioPress is the name of full production machines and AccurioPrint is entry level "light production" machines.
Going back a few years (before "Accurio" appeared), all machines were Bizhubs in one way or another. Plain "Bizhub" was the office MFPs, "Bizhub Pro" was the production machines which evolved into "Bizhub Press" for a short time.

Google the KM Configurator to see the different pre- and post-engine configurations available. To answer your question loosely, you would typically use a production machine rather than an MFP to print books. These machines are designed for precision registration and volume jam-free handling of thicker and coated substrates, with air-fed, straighter path bulk paper decks and a relay unit for cooling and flat exit of printed work.
 
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kalxn

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A bit of background for you - all three you mention are Konica Minolta series' of machines and within each there are models with different capabilities.
The current situation (for the past few years)... "Bizhub" is the name given to office multi-function printers (MFPs), AccurioPress is the name of full production machines and AccurioPrint is entry level "light production" machines.
Going back a few years (before "Accurio" appeared), all machines were Bizhubs in one way or another. Plain "Bizhub" was the office MFPs, "Bizhub Pro" was the production machines which evolved into "Bizhub Press" for a short time.

Google the KM Configurator to see the different pre- and post-engine configurations available. To answer your question loosely, you would typically use a production machine rather than an MFP to print books. These machines are designed for precision registration and volume jam-free handling of thicker and coated substrates, with air-fed, straighter path bulk paper decks and a relay unit for cooling and flat exit of printed work.
Thank You Ynot_UK for very informative information, as I'm currently now watching seminars on youtube about the machines, but people like you have actual knowledge and experiences with machines are great people helping me to understand them better.
 
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kalxn

Guest
A bit of background for you - all three you mention are Konica Minolta series' of machines and within each there are models with different capabilities.
The current situation (for the past few years)... "Bizhub" is the name given to office multi-function printers (MFPs), AccurioPress is the name of full production machines and AccurioPrint is entry level "light production" machines.
Going back a few years (before "Accurio" appeared), all machines were Bizhubs in one way or another. Plain "Bizhub" was the office MFPs, "Bizhub Pro" was the production machines which evolved into "Bizhub Press" for a short time.

Google the KM Configurator to see the different pre- and post-engine configurations available. To answer your question loosely, you would typically use a production machine rather than an MFP to print books. These machines are designed for precision registration and volume jam-free handling of thicker and coated substrates, with air-fed, straighter path bulk paper decks and a relay unit for cooling and flat exit of printed work.
I did try the KM Configurator but it won't open on my country, but only allows for US living, or residing people.
 

Ynot_UK

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Thank You Ynot_UK for very informative information, as I'm currently now watching seminars on youtube about the machines, but people like you have actual knowledge and experiences with machines are great people helping me to understand them better.
Check out ‘justaprinter’ Dan on YouTube. His shop has four KM production presses, three colour machines and an older B/W.
There’s not much about KM gear this guy doesn’t know and as well as being a printer, he’s a pretty awesome mechanical and electronics engineer on the side.
 
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kalxn

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Check out ‘justaprinter’ Dan on YouTube. His shop has four KM production presses, three colour machines and an older B/W.
There’s not much about KM gear this guy doesn’t know and as well as being a printer, he’s a pretty awesome mechanical and electronics engineer on the side.
He did replied to my queries, and plans to do a video about my question regarding how he keeps his room in proper temperature and where he stores his papers. And if he even uses airconditioner. It's because of him I'm planning to start using Konica Minolta as a beginner, but not his 3080, I'm planning to use 4080 that I just configured now.
But when I start earning from the actual book I'm about to sell. I will definitely buy Heidelberg Offset Printer. I'm writing a book about how to avoid children from experiencing abuses and crimes.
That's why people like you and Dan who help me learn and understand are gems. Thank You sir.
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Ynot_UK

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That's a similar configuration to our C4080, except we have KM's own controller (IC-609) in lieu of Fiery.
Look at this unless you're experienced in Fiery, as it's a credible alternative that will save you money.
We also have the LU-202xlm long feed paper deck with optional HT-503 heater.

Do you have an offline finishing setup?

On your other point - it's 2021, don't even think about investing in offset! There are so many shops having gone digital-only over recent years. Offset is dirt-cheap to buy in, so do the artwork in-house and sub out the offset work. It's also hideously expensive to set up, in terms of space, power provision, labour (you'd need a skilled pressman), chemicals process, etc. Just my 2p.
 
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kalxn

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That's a similar configuration to our C4080, except we have KM's own controller (IC-609) in lieu of Fiery.
Look at this unless you're experienced in Fiery, as it's a credible alternative that will save you money.
We also have the LU-202xlm long feed paper deck with optional HT-503 heater.

Do you have an offline finishing setup?

On your other point - it's 2021, don't even think about investing in offset! There are so many shops having gone digital-only over recent years. Offset is dirt-cheap to buy in, so do the artwork in-house and sub out the offset work. It's also hideously expensive to set up, in terms of space, power provision, labour (you'd need a skilled pressman), chemicals process, etc. Just my 2p.
I have chosen IC-609 at first, then wondering, maybe the IC-317 is much better, please enlighten me. Is the upgraded version IC-609 is actually the best one?
I decided to remove the Long tray, as I may not need it much, the LU-202xlm, because I might only actually print books and not know if I'm going to print more than that. The optional HT-503 heater does not exist in my option, will do check them to dehumidify the paper, or it's for other purpose. Thank You Ynot.

I know right, the offset is like for multi-millionaire. And the PaperMill needs more than the space the Offset printer needs.

I see the configuration and the HT-503 heater doesn't exist. Probably should ask for that and request to the manufacturer, than rely on the configurator.
 
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Ynot_UK

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I have chosen IC-609 at first, then wondering, maybe the IC-317 is much better, please enlighten me. Is the upgraded version IC-609 is actually the best one?
The IC-609 is KM's OEM controller
The IC-317 is efi's 'Fiery' controller.
Fiery is a long-established industry standard and there are many reasons where this will be preferable, mostly where operators are skilled in the Fiery workflow, also for sharing jobs in multiple machine set-ups.
However the OEMs have developed improved controllers of their own over recent years and if, like ourselves, you are entering the market with no Fiery experience, it may be difficult to justify the additional initial expense and ongoing maintenance on a third party controller.
KM's Accurio Print Manager software (used with the IC-609) seems pretty good and I guess we've only touched the sides with it and it can do loads of things we've not even looked at yet.
 
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kalxn

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The IC-609 is KM's OEM controller
The IC-317 is efi's 'Fiery' controller.
Fiery is a long-established industry standard and there are many reasons where this will be preferable, mostly where operators are skilled in the Fiery workflow, also for sharing jobs in multiple machine set-ups.
However the OEMs have developed improved controllers of their own over recent years and if, like ourselves, you are entering the market with no Fiery experience, it may be difficult to justify the additional initial expense and ongoing maintenance on a third party controller.
KM's Accurio Print Manager software (used with the IC-609) seems pretty good and I guess we've only touched the sides with it and it can do loads of things we've not even looked at yet.
Thank You. It seems I will need to study more as I have read only the short things about the fiery one. You're right, I must stick with the easier one as I'm going to be a complete newb to this. Will continue studying these information and things you are educating me about.
 

Ynot_UK

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I decided to remove the Long tray, as I may not need it much, the LU-202xlm, because I might only actually print books and not know if I'm going to print more than that. The optional HT-503 heater does not exist in my option

I see the configuration and the HT-503 heater doesn't exist. Probably should ask for that and request to the manufacturer, than rely on the configurator.
The HT-503 is only for the LU-202xlm paper deck
The heater option for the PF-707m is HT-506
 
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kalxn

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The HT-503 is only for the LU-202xlm paper deck
The heater option for the PF-707m is HT-506
Thank You, I am trying different configurations in EU and your choices did showed up, the heater and the paper deck.
 

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