Fuiji Plates Uneven Quality results Faced

R&D

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while running some tests on different Fuji plates (v1), we have experienced (CTP) uneven results in the percentage of ink coverage. What may appear to be 20% in some areas goes up to 35% in other areas. While Fuji experts are running some tests to find out what the problem is exactly, I would much appreciate if anyone who has experienced such issues could let me know what it could be.

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while running some tests on different Fuji plates (v1), we have experienced (CTP) uneven results in the percentage of ink coverage. What may appear to be 20% in some areas goes up to 35% in other areas. :confused:

Just to be clear, are you measuring the tone values on your plates after they come out of your ctp device (and see a problem) or are you measuring the tone values on your presswork (and see the problem there)?

gordo (yes, no longer with Kodak)
 
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tone values on Fuji V1 plates

tone values on Fuji V1 plates

both, results were seen on the press, and while going backwards, we saw that when plates came out of the CTP they already had the problem.
 
Is the tonal variation consistent? i.e., if you re-image a plate, are the dark/light areas in the same places? If it's even close to being consistent, my first action would be to image two identical plates. Process one normally, and one rotated 90 degrees. This will help you separate plate/imaging from processing problems. My first reacion to these types of issues is usually to double-check the processing and chemistry.

From there, it's hard to diagnose without being on site - your Fuji plate specialists (or CTP specialists) should normally be able to help. It could be anything from plate manufacturing issues (rare for such a significant sounding issue), plate storage conditions, humidity (depending on plate type - this is more of a problem with Violet photopolymer plates in general), CTP problems... and dozens more.

What plate type and CTP system are you using?

Kevin (Kodak)
 
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we did, same problem, dots density are inconsistent all over the plate, and variations are not in the same place. Fuji experts say it's a plate/imaging problem. Chemistry have been changed, same results.
Plate Type: LPNV1. CTP system: Fuji 9600 VX.

one expert says it might be the laser, but when we disabled each of the two laser beams and did tests, nothing changed. this logically means that either both lasers are disfunctional or the problem is coming from another source. right?
 
>>this logically means that either both lasers are disfunctional or the problem is coming from another source. right?

Are they both off the same power supply, and/or using the same modulator? If not, I doubt both would be having the same issues - but it depends if the two laser sources share anything else common.

I don't suppose you have any other local printers that could image (and not process) a couple plates for you - both from their own plate batch and from yours? At least it could isolate a plate, processing or CTP issue.
 
I would do a preheat check. Put some targets on a plate and see if the heaters are even. PITA because you have to load the plate manually, had a similar issue with the same system and that was the fix.
 
same power supply

same power supply

both lasers are taken to the same power supply + data. yes they are using the same modulator.
 
R&D, It's nothing wrong with your CTP the problem is either plates being stored in excessive humidity or more likely the processor. I would suggest you do the following:
- first thing cut two large plates square to give 800 by 800 mm, put your processor in dumb mode, feed them in your recorder engine with the same orientation to expose a test pattern ideally fullsize 50 percent raster. Allow the first plate to pass into the proc then stop and rotate the second plate 90 deg then feed into proc. This will tell you more about uniformity issues i.e. is it left to right on both plates or not.

- next, dump the chemistry and confirm your FLP machine is properly, mean properly adjusted:
a) check pressure on EACH AND EVERY roller adjustable bearing, put rollers back. I know it's time consuming and silly but incredibly important, and usually overlooked;
b) take out the prewash brush and ajust it properly according to spec;
c) carefully inspect both dev brushes for integrity/wear then adjust thems to spec, if too worn out replace without hesitation. They won't last for more than 14...18 months anyway;
d) check both mixing spraybars inside the dev section to blow on all holes and rotate them as necesary towards the brushes to give a visibly strong flow of liquid when in use;
e) put dev back in, confirm preheat temp on back of plates for all three zones. Check also the two preheat blower fans are working, confirm the temp on all zones is stable at all times, at set values give or take 1 deg. maximum, they should be dead on;
f) bypass interlocks and visually check the plate travel into the FLP as it passes different sections, no hard spots/plate sticking because of excessive pressure somewhere, no funny noises from the drive system, dev mixing properly etc.
Now test for uniformity again, it should come out max. 2...3 percent inconsistency, all corners vs. center of plate. If not, blame the dev brushes first, not the recorder.
If you really think excessive humidity to be an issue it's enough to leave a box flat open or just a few plates stacked vertically somewhere in the ctp room and turn your AC on at full blow set for 21 deg C, allow for 3 hours or so. Provided the PVA hasn't been damaged completely the damp coating will regain its properties gradually in these circumstances perhaps a bit of sensitivity is lost, requiring extra laser intensity but spots will be gone. Done that once with strange patterns on plates coming out from the proc like dalmatian was clearly a humidity prob.
Good luck and come back with results !
 
job layout size shifts on CTP plates!

job layout size shifts on CTP plates!

It turned out the problems came from both lasers, which were changed.

Soon after the laser problem was fixed, we encountere problems with different plate colors, which are differing one from the other (ex: cyan layout is smaller than its magenta layout), which caused quality problems and made us go back to working manually (again).

we are guessing this could be from the motor, any clue?
 

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