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  • Hamada B452A Mark II

    Hi

    I’m taking over my father’s small printing business and I was looking for new press to fulfill the consumers’ needs for short run color jobs. I looked at in the Presstek 34DI, then I introduced to Hamada B452 Mark II. I still have much to learn in the industry and don’t really know which one to pick. I’m thinking of going for the Hamada since the cost to buy the machine is much less than the Presstek, and supplies are also cheaper.

    I know that make ready time for the Presstek is faster. But what about quality and reliability?

    So does anyone have any insight? Any information is greatly appreciated. I’m a veteran and I’m putting all my saving for down payment for one of these machines, so I’m bit nervous.

    Thank you in advance,

    Sonny

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    Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

    Sonny,

    Are you a vet from the USA? If so thank you for the service to our country. The Hamada is one fine machine. The DI is ok but supplies,service etc are only available from one source. A true four color press IMHO is the way to go.

    I think DI is dying out as a viable print solution

    OG

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    • #3
      Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

      First of all - don't listen to offset guy....he's a total tosser & don't buy a hamada you will have nothing but trouble......Ryobi is your best bet on your budget.

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        Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

        Thank you buddy. I served with US Army.

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        • #5
          Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

          I am evaluating the trade-in of a Hamada B452A and would like to know if you would be interested in purchasing the press in place of a new model?

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          • #6
            Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

            hi sonny.
            the hamada b452 is a very sturdy press, very reliable and has a quick set up time, also the cip3 feature is pretty good, and gets you upto colour fast. very easy press to run and maintain, i dont think you would regret getting one of these presses...

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            • #7
              Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

              Sonny,

              I have a customer who had a Hamada B452A Mark II and returned it after about 8 months. The CIP3 feature never worked correctly even though the manufacturer and dealer spent a lot of time working on it. Solids were weak and the density dropped off visibly from gripper to tail of the sheet. My suggestion is that whatever press you are looking at make sure to put it through a battery of print test with your most critical jobs and satisfy yourself that it will work for your applications. Good luck

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              • #8
                Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                Hi Sonny,
                for god's sake don't listen to OG the hamada is CRAP even though they are now tied up with hasimoto they are just RUBBISH.

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                • #9
                  Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                  hey leo.
                  what company did you deal with on the hamada.....i know some people who have them and they print fine, solids, book covers.....these presses are really good for the money you pay....

                  Edited by: macman on Jul 18, 2008 4:41 PM

                  Edited by: macman on Jul 18, 2008 4:41 PM

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                    Hi Macman,

                    I would only like to say that the end user who had the Hamada B452 was in the United States and not identify the end-user and dealer to stay away from any legal issues. My story is the honest to god truth and the press was removed after roughly 8 months and replaced unfortunately for me by a Heidelberg SM52. The customer told me that the reason they returned the press was because solids were poor and the CIP3 could only get as accurate as around 80% which a good pressman can achieve anyway without CIP3. The CIP3 should get you 90-95% to color on the first pull if you have the ink and dampening rollers set correctly from my experience with the Ryobi products.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                      When this press was replaced with the SM52 were the same brands and types of inks plates blankets fountain solutions washup and other consumables still used on the new SM52 as were used on the Hamada?
                      No matter how hard you try some combinations of consumables will never work together on a particle brand of press.
                      I have heard similar complaints and stories for just about every brand of press made.
                      In a large percentage of these cases the questionable machine ends up in another shop and it works just fine.
                      Once in a while a press is damaged in shipping and it is not detectable until months later.
                      I have personally sent back press units damaged in shipment.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                        Hi Pat,

                        As far as I know, the press has not been placed into another shop yet. I totally agree that there is a whole host of products that can make or break a press's performance and I am sure that Heidelberg made sure that their press worked fine but that does not explain the problems with the Hamada and that the dealer or Hamada America could not solve the problems. I am sure that there are Hamada presses out there running great work but press inker, dampener and cylinder configuration designs greatly affect the print quality and some presses have better designs than others. As I said before, test any machine to match the level of performance that you require before you buy it and then you can only blame yourself if you or your customer's are not satisfied with the results.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                          Once a machine that does not work properly is under warranty or repair it requires perfection plus to gain the confidence of the buyer.
                          Every little thing that before hand was considered normal is now perceived as a fault that requires repair and or intervention. Many times the owner is in a total negative attitude and no matter what is done will not cure it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hamada B452A Mark II

                            I worked in a shop with the Hamada for over 2 years and never once did I hear our pressman say one good thing about it.

                            Inconsistent color.
                            Terrible solids.
                            Roll recovery.

                            We tried everything and eventually found the best solution was to lower our expectations and teach our clients to be flexible.

                            Needless to say our client list was continuing to shrink when I finally gave up on the company.

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                            • #15
                              Sonny,

                              I think this thread needs a bit of balance!

                              We ran a 452A for several years and around 20 million impressions and so hopefully this will be of some use to you.

                              It's a reliable little press. There was only only one major breakdown in that time, caused by an electrical fault.

                              It's also a pretty nice press to operate and very fast to set up with a properly trained minder. I doubt whether a DI is any faster when you take on-press plate imaging time into consideration. The semi automatic plate loading is particularly good and accurate. The CIP3 / ink presets are fairly basic but reasonably accurate and definitely save time. The blanket washers are not good. The feed is very reliable, but struggles on heavier stocks (anything much over 300gsm). Marking can be an issue on heavy card stock unless care is taken.

                              You can achieve good solids and consistent colour. The machine needs to be set up properly (chemistry, plates, calibration etc.) and maintained 100%, otherwise you will get problems. You need a properly trained minder, otherwise you will struggle. In England we have a 3 year machine printing apprenticeship, you'll have the same or similar in the US.

                              The bottom line is that it's not the best B3 press in the world, but it's reasonably priced, reliable and produces good work when used properly.

                              Would I buy another one? No, but the only reasons are (a) there's no coater option and we tend to coat all non gloss work these days (b) we are not a start up anymore and our budget is bigger.

                              I hope that helps & good luck.

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