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I'll see if I can figure out where they are hidden in the half redesigned Idealliance site. I noticed the other day that they must have started redesigning the site, but only about half of it, and succeeded in breaking ALL of it. :( I did manage to find what I was looking for the other day...

Love that! Just because no one else is going to look that close doesn't make it irrelevant for diagnosing the problem! I've heard the same thing MANY times....

Unless you're printing hex or using fluorescent base inks, there is no way to print PMS 021 orange using regular CMYK on coated, let alone uncoated. Unless you have a way to extend the available gamut of CMYK that I have never heard of.

my current is a 9800, but before that I had a 7880 (same as a 9880 only smaller). The 7880 died about 2 weeks after Epson discontinued the 7900 line, and my RIP software didn't support the new Colorsure models yet, and they weren't sure when they would. In a mad scramble for a proofer then, a...

I'll have to remember that, I figured water problems, with the way the dot looked "watery" on the edges and not crisp or spattered. Never thought of the problem that if you start with overwatering, and continue to add more, that the ink gets sucked into the water and now you have ink spatter...

We use Xitron Sierra in a ROOM proof type setup with my Epson and my plates, and Fuji Colorsync to test & verify the proofs and color manage the presses. Sierra is basically Fuji XMF only about a version behind. (there's a really long story behind this) But i'm also really good at "making things...

We run Ecomaxx T plates, and as the Fuji tech demonstrated, it can make a big difference if you cycle the water too long, or not long enough. My understanding is that the water "softens" the emulsion on the plate and then it sticks to ink and gets pulled off on the first few sheets. We went...

Gordo has a great answer, but a slightly easier way to explain it to your client, grab your PMS books (coated and uncoated). I know you said that they didn't want to use PMS, but this is the method that I use for all my clients before we start in on brand standards to illustrate what happens...

I have a 9800 sitting less than 2 feet from me that passes G7 better than my 7880 did before it died. So which sales rep is telling you this, and what are they trying to sell you?

As a prepress manager who FREQUENTLY has to fight the same battles, I have GREAT sympathy for your struggle! However, I actually used to run a 2-color press, so that gives me a bit of an edge, but I still have to fight with pressmen who think I don't know what i'm talking about. given your...

thank you for that Gordo! that does make a lot of sense.

that's what I get for responding half asleep.... 021. not 072.

Were you testing 172 because it was a problem ink? I'm wondering if it's the 021 base that's the problem, or the transparent white or both.

While I have a fair amount of cool tools for a smaller shop, one with the ability to measure that is not among them. :(

Because we ARE printing KCMY.... Please excuse my brain fart. I will edit my "summary" post accordingly. :o oops, was soo embarrassed I missed the second part of your question. I don't believe we have ever ordered PMS for coated/uncoated. We do order special mix for UV coat, and extra driers...

Have a beer and join the fun. ;) A few years ago I poked at the to linearize or not to linearize debate... I don't even remember how many pages that one went. And NO to anyone who was thinking about it, do NOT start that one here.....

Should I pass around a few bottles of beer while we wait for the outcome? LOL to summarize, here are the current theories and my responses to them. place your bets accordingly. ;) Different Ink Formula Waiting on info from the ink vendor. Gordo so helpfully provided the photos of what...

that's basically what PMS 1505 is, but it's a 50/50 mix of 021 & trans white. could the trans white be causing the problem? it's been so long since i've mixed inks, could there be a different type of trans white that might work better? That might be a good place to start....

That was also a possibility that we are considering. We are going to try to put some test plates back on later this week to see what we can find out.

Keith~ ugh!! been there!! I know exactly what you mean about that sick twisting wrench in your stomach. And I agree with you on being able to hold a 50% screen. that's why I started this whole thread in the first place.