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Well it did not die. We received a call from the law office who sent the letter. Our attorney said we can not ignore. Seems a group of guys bought the defunct company who had these patents but never enforced them. Now they are trying to recoup there cost by enforcing. This affects every modern...

That is what we are doing first. We have calls into Kodak and Fuji which are both listed on patents as "referenced". A couple of other printers we know in town with same basic equipment have not received this letter...yet. We did buy our trendsetter 800 from Bob Weber. We wondered if some issue...

Here is our letter.

We received one today also. Trying to figure out what is going on.

Check all accessory parts. These machines use alot of plastic parts and may break. I will tell you, in order to get accurate color from this device you need to use a RIP like Onyx. Only a dedicated RIP can control the color properly to produce contract proofs or "measurable" print response. The...

We own a 651 and love it. The duplexing registration is phenomenal at this price point. I tested and saw prints from all the competitors Xerox, Canon, Konica, and image quality is as good as anyone else. None of the others could hold a candle to the registration of the 651. The service we...

Correct me if I wrong, I remember fighting with yellow in the beginning and i ended up realizing that the color of the paper (blue white epson) would never reproduce a 'litho' yellow. If you are setting up a hotfolder i guess you are working with the iterative color matching to a standard (ie...

It works! Thank you for taking time to address this. Exactly what I am looking for. I was making the second fixup for spots to 'convert to destination'. I should have dug a little deeper. Adobe is golden, It was simply operator error.

Explain that to a customer that just wants the color close to what they expect. They want what is on screen. A color table will not give you that necessarily.

Then why would you need 'Use LAB values for spot in Indesign'. Please pull pms288c swatch into indesign. Then go to ink manager and set LAB values for spots. You will see the color change drastically. 288 in book is much darker than screen representation. I do have a calibrated monitor using...

Well its not until this White device was introduced that I really needed it. Im sorry if you do not agree with my methods. To me it seems very simple and straight forward. I convert what I see on screen to print on device I want. If I am pleased by a pms288c under SWOP on screen I do not want...

OK. If I choose not to use spot library in Onyx or any other RIP I will get the cmyk value specified in the color space. The piece will look like what is on screen (in a perfect world). That is our workflow. So i want Onyx to be able to see a White spot channel for our Acuity and deal with it...

Here is a zip file with an Indesign with output screen shotsand two output pdfs. Notice Press Quality pdf, if you use the output preview in Acrobat you will see the spot colors listed in the pdf. Notice the A1sbs pdf also list its spot colors. The two files do not match in appearance...

No I am not aliasing in ink manager. Indesign can export to pdf, 'convert to destination' and change appearance of spot colors treating them like process but retain the spot channel in resulting pdf. Acrobat through preflight fixups, can not recreate this behavior. Why?

OK, well notice that the appearance of the spot is the same as before the conversion, of coarse, (except spot) option. The same color numbers. What I want is to keep the spot colors but 'convert to destination', change the appearance. This is what happens in Indesign if you 'convert to...

Yes, I understand the LAB and spot colors thing. I personally think that all is categorized as 'color management 101' Its just that I looking for an answer to the original question. The workflow was simply to explain what and why Im doing it. Please forget the RIP software and focus on Acrobat...

The original question is, why can I not recreate, in Acrobat preflight fixups for color conversion, the same result that I get in Indesign pdf export, color settings 'Convert to destination', do not include profiles. Indesign converts and holds the spot but Acrobat will not. I simply wanted to...

The result you got is what I get in acrobat preflight fixup but not Indesign. If I place a cmyk image in a new indesign document, make a few boxes filled with various pms spot colors, Export to pdf with color setting set to 'Convert to Destination', pick 'Japan newspaper', 'do not include...

Indesign export to pdf using the 'Convert to Destination' as opposed to 'convert to destination (preserve numbers)', does change the color of the spot. It converts it to the same cmyk values I will get when Onyx sees the spot color after the conversion. It also retains the spot channel. If you...

We push our machines pretty hard. The light should be changed at 500hrs. We always go over 1000Hrs. $. Maybe thats why I see such a shift. In side of 3 weeks I will see a solid color shift. There is a lot of ways to skin a workflow. Thanks for all the opinions. Im always looking for a better...