Help with ISBN

Muddy

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I am printing a manuscript for a customer.

I have been asked the following:

I want to ask about printer info for the ISBN page – would you be able send me your info for insertion? Also, do you recommend an ISBN barcode on the bk cover, or just the ISBN?


I am not sure about what is being asked. Any help would be most appreciated.
 
I am printing a manuscript for a customer.

I have been asked the following:

I want to ask about printer info for the ISBN page – would you be able send me your info for insertion? Also, do you recommend an ISBN barcode on the bk cover, or just the ISBN?


I am not sure about what is being asked. Any help would be most appreciated.


Hi Muddy,

basically an ISBN is an SKU (stock keeping unit) that is an ISO standard. If your book is being sold, it allows the retailer to scan the bar code and look it up using their own POS system. It is also a convention that basic information about the book (title, author, format, binding, etc.) is recorded and shared on databases that are widely available to the trade.

Bottom line is: if the book is NOT being sold through retail channels, it doesn't need an ISBN.

You need some specialist software to generate the ISBN bar code, it's not very expensive, a few hundred quid from memory. There are some sites on line that will generate bar codes for free, but unless you have the facility to print and double check the bar code, I'd stick with a commercial program. There's not really a lot of point having an ISBN number and no bar code.

I haven't heard the phrase "ISBN page" before, but would assume your customer is referring to the page that lists the copyright declaration, publication date, where printed, where typeset, the publisher etc. Commonly called the copyright page (or edition notice). Again, not a legal requirement and no "formal" specification for this page, but it tends to be there for practical reasons and by convention in most commercially published and printed books.

Each country will have a commercial organisation that manages ISBN numbers, just google it for your country. Unless you are doing this as part of your service, it is best to have your customer manage this process themselves, as they will then be the publisher of record and responsible for all of the country specific details (like legal deposit).

I hope that helps.
 
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We print quite a few novels for independent authors, so here's some info.

ISBN page (also known as the "copyright page") is generally the 2nd or 4th page in the book. if you are not listed as "publisher" in the ISBN registration, then it's generally just simply your formal company name, and city, state for location. Though I suppose you could put more contact info in if you wish, but that means that you might get contacted in regards to the book, maybe to order copies, or who knows what.

As far as registering the ISBN, it sounds like your customer already did. We won't do that for our customers as we are not a Publisher. What I had been told in the past is that the ISBN # should be applied for and registered by whomever is owning the rights to the book.

ISBN barcodes are easy to generate, and generally, your customer should have been given the option to download one when they registered. You can put it on the back cover if you would like, it generally depends on if this is going to be sold in a retail environment. If it is going for retail, it provides the barcode to scan. if it is not being sold retail, than just listing the ISBN number should be fine. if they do want the ISBN on back it comes as a 2-part code. the first part is the UPC-like code that contains the ISBN number. the second part is a 5-digit number that contains the price. if the price is only a 4-digit (ie. 21.95), general practice is to enter it with a "5" leading so $21.95 would scan as 52195.

Hope that answers your questions.

oh, and here is a link to a basic copyright page info:
Self-Publishing Basics: The Copyright Page – The Book Designer
 
Corel Draw includes (or at least used to in older versions) a barcode generator that can be used to make, among other things, ISBN barcodes. It's a bit hidden but the program file is simply called "barcode.exe".
 
@ GusG - LOL - I don't think the customer needs - or is asking - his service provider to fake an ISBN Number !

I think you misunderstood what I was getting at, the program generates the barcode, not the number. You'll obviously need to have your ISBN number from a proper source.

With that you can make the corresponding barcode. Does the same with EAN13 codes etc. I've made lots and lots of (genuine) barcodes with this little application.
 
@ GusG - Okay, sorry - I guess I assumed that most folks understood that there are barcode fonts and that one can use any of the popular design applications (Adobe, Quark, ect) to generate a proper barcode.

Reading the original post seemed to indicate to me that Muddy had not encountered any customers who were asking them to provide an ISBN number. Like providing ONIX XML data for a book, Muddy might do well to contact a publisher to bone up on a few things before moving forward.
 
I guess I assumed that most folks understood that there are barcode fonts and that one can use any of the popular design applications (Adobe, Quark, ect) to generate a proper barcode.

I didn't actually know that there are such barcode fonts, however, I did find one on our server and typed in the ISBN number for my own published book and the barcode generated by the font looks nothing like the barcode generated by the barcode programme.

As I've got my book in bookshops both here in Uganda as well as in Europe and no one has complained about the barcode (generated using the Corel app), I guess the particular font I have is wrong. So getting the ISBN number is one thing, translating that into a valid barcode is apparently another challenge.
 

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