Looking at the Hp Indigio

[millennialprinter]

We currently are running 2 canon image presses, 1 oce vario print 110 & 14 x 20 offset (straight 4 color, no coater) in our shop. Floating the ideas of moving into B2 indigo or a 7k press. With either move we will either eliminate offset altogether or start that transition with the 7k. How does the ink hold up from the newer (2017 - 2025) indigo presses? I have read a lot of posts and spoke in depth with one employee here used to run an indigo. All mentioning ink scuffing in the bindery being the Achilles heel of these presses. Will an offline coater be required for commercial finishing, folding, die cutting, saddle binding etc? Curious to see what the consensus is out in the field.

 

[DJenkins]

We just got a new Indigo 100K and although it has been a rough 4 months the press has finally started to settle in. Couple things sales people wont tell you. Tons of maintenance if done right could equal up to 8 hours a week or more. Tons of supplies to manage and make space for. You need to buy a dedicated parts washer just for the press ours was about $4500. You will produce a ton of waste oil that will need to be emptied in Drums for disposal. You will need to send at least one operator to training for a week just for level one training and again for level 2. If its your first press it could take up to 18 Months to get everything in order with workflow and max output. On the front end side prepress will be required to also train on front end tools of the DFE and add HP smart stream plugin to your Indesign app. Im gonna say is paper grain becomes a major issue unless you buy HP size paper for the B2 size. Last thing is yes bindery is struggling with cracking on folds and the ink does rub off if two sheets are pressed firmly to each other. I dont mean this to be all bad things its just the reality of this machine. with regards to bindery issues HP did recommend if it is a problem to use some coating or laminating to mitigate the issue. Hope this helps and i too am curious as to the respective opinion of these presses.

 

[mutti8000]

Scuff resistance and cracking on folds are still a problem, even on the newest presses. It all depends on ink coverage, builds and use case of the final product.
It wasn't enough to scare us away and all in all we are glad that we choose the HP Indigo route.
We use HP Indigo presses for 98% of our digital work (general commercial) the last 2% is direct mailing, where I would not recommend HP Indigo.
For that work we use a small Canon imagepress machine...

 

[Milo Wilson]

We just got a new Indigo 100K and although it has been a rough 4 months the press has finally started to settle in. Couple things sales people wont tell you. Tons of maintenance if done right could equal up to 8 hours a week or more. Tons of supplies to manage and make space for. You need to buy a dedicated parts washer just for the press ours was about $4500. You will produce a ton of waste oil that will need to be emptied in Drums for disposal. You will need to send at least one operator to training for a week just for level one training and again for level 2. If its your first press it could take up to 18 Months to get everything in order with workflow and max output. On the front end side prepress will be required to also train on front end tools of the DFE and add HP smart stream plugin to your Indesign app. Im gonna say is paper grain becomes a major issue unless you buy HP size paper for the B2 size. Last thing is yes bindery is struggling with cracking on folds and the ink does rub off if two sheets are pressed firmly to each other. I dont mean this to be all bad things its just the reality of this machine. with regards to bindery issues HP did recommend if it is a problem to use some coating or laminating to mitigate the issue. Hope this helps and i too am curious as to the respective opinion of these presses.

Coming from working with the 20k roll to roll, this is all true. Maintenence is a majority of the work

 

[azehnali]

maybe you should look into a hybrid machine like fuji