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    Basysprint vrs. Luscher We are starting a CTP Service Bureau in El Salvador, Central America and we already decided to buy a CTcP equipment because of the characteristics of the local market regarding the printing behavior and prices of plates.
    Now we evaluate between Luscher and Basysprint, and If is safe to buy used or refurbished machines. We need to know which brand and model offer the best performance for service including the lesser downtime.
    We have a hard time in getting unbiased user input, so we hope we'll get it in this forum, we thank you in advance for your help

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    Re: Basysprint vs. Luscher UV for Service bureau

    I would definately recommend Basys but not because we are dealers for Basys. I attended a two week engineering training course in Germany last year and I was impressed with the technology. These systems are built like tanks. (Typical German over engineering) We service the machines from here and can provide support etc. from Los Angeles CA.

    I may be in touch with one of your associates already in the purchase of a used unit. We have one available.
    Terry Allen, Spectrecom
    Cell # 818-679-5168 terry@spectrecom.com

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    • #3
      Re: Basysprint vs. Luscher UV for Service bureau

      Well,maybe you could provide us with data on some basysprint users willing to talk about their experience with performance and maintenance issues.

      And We are also interested in trying some of the current plates in use here in our country processed by Basys.

      Hoping you may help us on these aspects, Thanks in advance.

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      • #4
        Re: Basysprint vs. Luscher UV for Service bureau

        I will work up a list for you. I have been speaking with Oscar. I am working on plate pricing now but I spoke with IBF, they have a dealer locally in San Salvador you can buy from for the best price.
        Terry Allen, Spectrecom
        Cell # 818-679-5168 terry@spectrecom.com

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        • #5
          Thin be4 u buy

          Luscher is a good machine having capacity to xpose Conventional Positive Plates. recently Luscher has added certain features like improved Spining motor speed , Higher Laser power up to 140mW - 180mW , and is going to get higher in the future..

          Earlier in old machine there were certain parts which were consumables but in new machines hardly any parts you will find as a consumables. New motor is brushless and speed is high using 32 UV laser diode than earlier version of luscher machine. so the output speed is not a problem.

          incase you need the higher speed like other manufacturer you can add another 32 laser diode to increase speed.

          however the speed of plates also depends upon the manufacturer, certain manufacturer has higher sensitivity on the plates so that will give more plate output in the machine.

          Automation option is available with single machine and two machine what ever you choose. you can choose multi size plates for that.

          The benefit over external drum technology is that here in luscher machine you do not need to rotate plate with certain balancing feature.

          even it is easy to clean lenc of the laser diode assembly.

          Size is compact.. a new series of luscher machine has the capacity to expose 2 plates of 4 up in 8 up machine which was not there in earlier machine for 8 up design.

          ofcourse machine has latest UV laser 405nm with 180mW so initial cost of the laser will be high unlike all products in the market. once production will go high price will be reduced for that laser. Onething is that same laser may be used in the blue ray disc in the future , thus application is more so price will be lesser. Laser life is 10000 hours. so do not worry for laser life.

          Present market price of the Thermal Plates are high in compare with PS plates. So why to go for Thermal at present?? if the same king of dot reproduction can be done using luscher machine???? thermal plate can give 1000000 runlength when backed and PS plate can give 4-500000 run length depending upon machine condition...

          In case of thermal when price decreases in the future... Luscher has option to swith to thermal plate by spending few thousends EURO.... whats more diversity you want????

          by the time market shows equal price for PS plates and thermal Plates you can easily recovered extra money spent for CTcP.....

          Another thing immidetly you do not need to convert all your design in to digital form like publishing houses in india when job is repeated.


          In compare with Basys CTcP ,, luscher is quit different.. basys can not give two options like luscher for thermal and conventional imaging. you can not change head of basys CTcp to produce thermal plates untill unless they make something working on that...

          Another thing in basys CTcP is the consumables cost.. every 2000 hours you have to change lamp.

          regarding plate rite its a good machine but only thermal imaging is that and the prices are up in the market.

          one last comment.. if you can image a plate having almost same quality and quantity in one hour at the half price in compare with Thermal plates then why to invest in that as per present market... change the UV laser to thermal laser when price declines or equals the PS plate rate.... and bythe time it come to same price of PS plate.. your ROI is completly back......

          Another thing... if the laser which luscher has 180mW 405nm could be invented before 5 years then what could be the condition... imaging out of 100 ctp u could find 60 CTps with conventional plate imaging.......

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          • #6
            Dear man_love94

            Why do u copy someone's opinion?

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            • #7
              'cause that was a typical salesman's speach`
              Speaking in an army manner, Basys - is kinda "Mark-4 "Tiger" German panzer but Luscher - "Abrams" tank.
              Both of them are very reliable, but the price to reach/kill the same target is different
              Last edited by VladCanada; 11-04-2008, 01:11 AM.

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              • #8
                Great answer Vlad..
                I use an agfa Advantage platesetter, and its more of a tank than both of those combined.

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                • #9
                  Funny ,) to be serious i'm working now over six years as applicatios specialist for Basys-Machines and also i have now a very close look to the Luescher Technology.
                  Basically..it depends what u want to do finally. The Basys-Machines are Certified by
                  Fogra for a 300lpi Output using 1500dpi Machine-Resolution etc.
                  In case of Support u might decide for Basys...and as i read above, whats the problem changing a Lamp each 2000 hours? This is up to three month when the Machine is used 24hours...
                  Finally u can get the Basys-Machines also with a real 2400dpi Output-Resolution (NO interpolation).
                  Maybe u describe ur needs, then the decision for the right machine is easier.

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                  • #10
                    Pixelwizard,

                    I do not sell Basys nor Luscher.
                    - the behaviour of the lamp is consistent for those 2000 hrs or you have to adjust the settings (that was for sure in the past)? Also which is the impact of switching on and off the machine to the lamp life?
                    - luscher has also one part you have to exchange, the "slipring" (each 50 mills revolutions).
                    - luscher can manufacture machines with over 5000dpi, I've printed with basys FM and 400 lpi. 2400 dpi will help the Basys sales team indeed.
                    - luscher is the most reliable machine i ever saw. It need no maintenance and can run 24/24 without any problems.
                    - PS and CTP (thermal plates) will be at the same level quite soon. There are already many manufactures which are quoting very similar prices.

                    Regards,
                    Andrei

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by yomarv View Post
                      Basysprint vrs. Luscher We are starting a CTP Service Bureau in El Salvador, Central America and we already decided to buy a CTcP equipment because of the characteristics of the local market regarding the printing behavior and prices of plates.
                      A CTcP machine is more expensive compared to violet or thermal CTP, you should count on exposing some 500 plus plates per day to get a decent return on investment unless you purchase a reconditioned/used machine, which in turn puts more pressure on operating and service costs. Should also keep in mind there are all sorts of conventional plates, some cheap but very slow or simply unusable because of low sensitivity, others will give you better productivity but going almost the same price as digital ctp plates.

                      Now we evaluate between Luscher and Basysprint, and If is safe to buy used or refurbished machines. We need to know which brand and model offer the best performance for service including the lesser downtime.
                      It's not only downtime, you should also consider good quality service and spares availability, cost of ownership i.e. Between the two I would say a new Luescher has a lower failure rate.

                      We have a hard time in getting unbiased user input, so we hope we'll get it in this forum
                      Unbiased input is a rare commodity around here. Should rather ask the seller/dealer to take you to 2 -3 CTcP locations to visit.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by yomarv View Post
                        Basysprint vrs. Luscher We are starting a CTP Service Bureau in El Salvador, Central America and we already decided to buy a CTcP equipment because of the characteristics of the local market regarding the printing behavior and prices of plates.
                        A CTcP machine is more expensive compared to violet or thermal CTP, you should count on exposing some 500 plus plates per day to get a decent return on investment unless you purchase a reconditioned/used machine, which in turn puts more pressure on operating and service costs. Should also keep in mind there are all sorts of conventional plates, some cheap but very slow or simply unusable because of low sensitivity, others will give you better productivity but going almost the same price as digital ctp plates.

                        Now we evaluate between Luscher and Basysprint, and If is safe to buy used or refurbished machines. We need to know which brand and model offer the best performance for service including the lesser downtime.
                        It's not only downtime, you should also consider good quality service and spares availability, cost of ownership i.e. Between the two I would say a new Luescher has a lower failure rate.

                        We have a hard time in getting unbiased user input, so we hope we'll get it in this forum
                        Unbiased input is a rare commodity around here. Should rather ask the seller/dealer to take you to 2 -3 CTcP locations to visit.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by yomarv View Post
                          Basysprint vrs. Luscher We are starting a CTP Service Bureau in El Salvador, Central America and we already decided to buy a CTcP equipment because of the characteristics of the local market regarding the printing behavior and prices of plates.
                          A CTcP machine is more expensive compared to violet or thermal CTP, you should count on exposing some 500 plus plates per day to get a decent return on investment unless you purchase a reconditioned/used machine, which in turn puts more pressure on operating and service costs. Should also keep in mind there are all sorts of conventional plates, some cheap but very slow or simply unusable because of low sensitivity, others will give you better productivity but going almost the same price as digital ctp plates.

                          Now we evaluate between Luscher and Basysprint, and If is safe to buy used or refurbished machines. We need to know which brand and model offer the best performance for service including the lesser downtime.
                          It's not only downtime, you should also consider good quality service and spares availability, cost of ownership i.e. Between the two I would say a new Luescher has a lower failure rate.

                          We have a hard time in getting unbiased user input, so we hope we'll get it in this forum
                          Unbiased input is a rare commodity around here. Should rather ask the seller/dealer to take you to 2 -3 CTcP locations to visit.

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                          • #14
                            Why CTCP, man?
                            The price of CTP plates are falling. In my opinion, the difference between CTP plates'price and traditional plates' price will be very small shortly, especially at current economy environment.

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                            • #15
                              Why CTCP?
                              The price of CTP plates are falling! In my opinion, the difference between PS and CTP plates's price will be very small in the near future, especially at current economy evironment.

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