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    Ok, it seems I have been getting quite a few PDF's lately that are about a half an inch too small. I can scale the artwork in Acrobat, but, as far as I know there is no way to change the size of the bounding box. So, my usual procedure is to open the PDF in Ai and resize. However, when I don't have the fonts that are embedded in the document, I have to open in PS at a resolution of at least 800, resize, save as an EPS and distill (don't save as an PDF out of PS in this case because the file size is way too big.) Doing it this way keeps the text pretty sharp, but this just does not seem like the best thing to do. I want to keep it vector, but I don't see any other option. How does everyone else handle this situation (don't give the obvious answer of telling the customer to fix it, we all have deadlines and can't always get up with the designers in time.) I would be interested to know if anyone has a better method for handling this situation.

    Dan R.

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    Ever thought about placing it into AI and resizing? You seem to be over-complicating the issue.

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      Or placing in ID, tthen resize.

      Works Well.

      AjR

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        Hi bluskool,

        In that situation, we would likely place the PDF into InDesign and resize as needed and then "re-bake" the PDF from there.

        If that's not an option, some modifications to page box definitions in Pitstop would be attempted.

        Hope this helps!
        Jon Morgan
        Hopkins Printing

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          "you never know how the past is going to turn out"

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              What the hell????? Where did Peter's response go??????????

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                For those that missed it.
                I found that if you open the PDF in Acrobat 8 Pro, go to the Document menu, and Crop Pages, you can alter the page size up as well as down. Make sure you select All Pages. This changes the total page size but not what is defined as the "trim size". I have to test the file I cropped UP to see how its dimensions come into a workflow - I think it will be ok. What did you find bluskool ?
                "you never know how the past is going to turn out"

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                  Yeah, it worked great. I just used it to resize an ad. I resized the box to what it needed to be, then just shifted the vector elements so that they fit because this particular ad was not proportional. I needed a half inch Vertically and about an inch horizontally. This worked much better than resizing in ID or Ai because I could shift the elements instead of scaling it and having it looked slightly stretched. Great tip Pete, thanks... this will save me from having to scale or rasterize.


                  Dan R.

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                    Re: Workflow question regarding fixing PDF's

                    Why not just use PitStop which is a native PDF editor? Illustrator is not a PDF editor despite it's ability to "open" a PDF.
                    Matt Beals
                    The views expressed here are my own personal views and are not those of my employer.

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                      In cases where I need to enlarge or reduce the contents of the page instead of just the media, bleed, trim, crop, art, bounding, fuse, mail, ice, or corrugated boxes, I've set a custom page size in "Page Setup..." with zero margins to be the final size after scaling, then printed the PDF to the printer "Adobe PDF" with page scaling set to "fit to printer margins.". I've often wished Acrobat had a scale option in the print dialogue like the other Adobe applications.

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                        Re: Workflow question regarding fixing PDF's

                        Matt, since you mentioned it , ;-) , EskoArtwork has several PDF editing options, PitStop, Neo, and PackEdge that would be an advantage in these scenarios.
                        http://www.eskoartwork.com - peter
                        "you never know how the past is going to turn out"

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                          Re: Workflow question regarding fixing PDF's

                          Kyle,

                          That is what Pete was saying. Acrobat can do this. Just go to document > crop pages, then enter the size you want in the margins. If just want to scale the art, you can select all with the object editor and crab the corner to scale up or down. The only problem is that is must be proportional. You can get around this by pulling objects into Illy. My problem was text defaulting, but now I just won't pull text into Illy when I don't have the font. So the only thing I can think of that can't be done using Acrobat would be to scale text unproportionally when I don't have the font, but it would be a pretty rare occasion when I would want to do this.

                          Oh, and I didn't use PitStop because I don't have it. $600 is a much more expensive solution than using what I already have. However, with all the bugs in Acrobat, I may just change my mind soon.

                          Dan R.

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                            Re: Workflow question regarding fixing PDF's

                            Oh I have no doubt that PitStop is better for editing PDF's. However, I don't have it right now and am able to fix problems with what I do have.

                            But, why do you think that Illustrator converts fonts to outlines. You have the option to do this, but it doesn't happen automatically. I have heard a few other people say this too. I have to say, I am not well versed in Illustrator as I am mainly a photo editor, but I can do many basic things in it. When I open a PDF, it maintains fonts unless I don't have them. In this case it defaults to a similar font that I do have. When I place a PDF, I can't edit it beyond scaling and rotating it until I flatten it. When I flatten, I have the option to keep fonts if I have them or convert them to outlines or have them default to a similar font that I do have.
                            But again, what I was saying is that I open a PDF in acrobat then select objects, right click and pull them into Illustrator. Acrobat and many design programs (even Quark) let you pull objects in your layout into a proper editor. When you close it and save it, it just updates in the program you are using. It just stores these files temporarily somewhere within the hidden (to finder anyway) var folder.

                            Thanks for the link. Sounds like an interesting read. With so many legitimate ways to do the same thing, I usually find it funny when someone says that they will show you the absolute best way to do something. Many times there are quite a few equally good ways to do the same thing.

                            Dan R.

                            P.S Maybe these are all new features of Illy. Not really sure since, like I said, I am just beginning to really get familiar with it and am using CS3. I have to say, when you have been using Photoshop for such a long time, Illustrator can be really frustrating to learn.

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                              Re: Workflow question regarding fixing PDF's

                              If this is happening alot then I would suggest a workflow solution. "Odystar" or "Pitstop Server"

                              If this is just a random think that you need to fix every once in a while the easiest tool I have seen is Artwork Systems NEO. It is a pure PDF 1.6 editor. It makes changes like that easier than using pitstop or Acrobat.

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