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∆E tolerance is something that is agreed between the printer and the client, it doesn't necessary depend on the printing method. If the printer claim's to print within the tolerances of eg ISO 12647-2:2013 and the client agrees with this in the qoute, then the tolerances of the printed job shall...

"We have to continue creating our PDF with a Fogra 47 output intent." If I was in your shoes I would setup a parallell workflow for Fogra 52, you will probably need it eventually anyway.

I have seen similar issues. I recommend to install 'Acronis Files Connect' (former ExtremeZ-IP) on the Windows side and then connect to the win from the Mac using AFP. This will probably solve your issues.

I would like to hear Fogra/GMG's comments regarding XCMYK.. If I understand this correctly this is just another CMYK-profile with higher SID's then Fogra51/Fogra39. Of course the gamut will expand a bit. I think that many printers (and bookbinders!) will have problems with reaching the SID's...

Agfa Asanti should be able to handle PDF/X-4 files (mixed CMYK and RGB) and convert the RGB-data to the printer profile. A good start would be to save/export your artwork as PDF/X-4 from Illustrator/Indesign.

Thanks for your input Cementary, I tried to answer most of your questions below. I think that this (a good generic CMYK profile like F53) might make it easier for the designer/customers in the long term. Our typical customer are exporting files for alot of different media, web/video/social...

Magical super duper profile? It's just an CMYK ICC-profile with a large gamut. We ARE educating our customers on daily basis and I'm also holding classes on this topic. I get your point and understand what you are saying, but I'm not very fond of your pessimistic tone. Since this forum attracts...

If you read my first post in this thread you will see that I mentioned eciRGB (as not so successful). Please take the time to read through the posts before start bashing. I started this post to discuss the pros and cons of eciCMYK, and the workflow it would acquire. You might wanna contribute...

Yeah, go to sarcasm. We really need more sarcasm and bitterness in this industry, then it will bloom again.

Of course you would have to setup the RIP in a such way that solids stays solids and a C100 M040 Y000 K000 only contain Cyan and Magenta after the conversion, eg C100 M032 Y000 K000 (Same as basic DeviceLink rules). Yes, this would need to acquire PDF/X-4 or newer. Agreed. True, it could...

Interesting thought, but we still need CMYK to make 100% k text and grayscale drop shadows..

Yes we did. I don't see anything stated like "Convert all your data to eciCMYK before you proceed to the next step". But the release of dedicated DeviceLink Profiles indeed makes you wonder a bit.. http://www.eci.org/en/colourstandards/workingcolorspaces But you doesn't totally disagree, do...

No I disagree, no body said you need to convert your your data to eciCMYK. Instead use PDF/X-4 and always set eciCMYK as Output Intent. The Rip will then convert from Output Intent (eciCMYK or tagged RGB) to your destination profile. The advantage would be that the creative Indesign user...

The Fogra39 target and presets in the EFI rip should be free of charge (if not, you can download the Fogra39 dataset from for free on www.fogra.org. Contact your EFI supplier and they can probably send you the files and instructions. Fogra39 is measured M0 without UV-cut filter, make shure that...

If this approach is implemented as a standard world wide (some time in the future) the end user (read: creative design guy) might not need to understand CMYK and advanced color settings.

Probably not many yet. But the reason I got my eyes on this topic and started this thread is because I got a question regarding Fogra53 from a print buyer. A minor company called H&M.. :)

Yes Andrew, there is already some DeviceLink profiles available here (Fogra53 > Fogra51 and Fogra53 > Fogra52): http://www.eci.org/en/downloads

Hello Roland_Epson, your post i really off topic. Please post your question as a new post instead and I'm sure that we can help you to answer your question.

True true! Let's suppose (in a parallel universe) Adobe makes Fogra53 the default CMYK working space. Do you think this wide gamut CMYK would be a good approach then?

Hi Erik, I might have lost you a bit while reading your post. But the Fogra53 doesn't mean that you get rid of any custom profiles at the printer as I understand it. It rather means that the customer/print buyer can use just one CMYK- working color space. The conversion to the custom icc-profile...