Finding Good Employees ? Are We Crazy

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I think most who hold the opinion that America is "greedy" or "unequal" aren't yearning for 100% equality, but would like a society to guarantee a reasonable quality of life (definition of reasonable varies from society to society) to even its poorest citizens (question #2) and observe that much of the rich man's success is borne from the exploitation of those lower classes, or of the "system" (whether it be the tax system, legislation system, etc) rather than the mythology that their wild success is based solely on "hard work" that others lacked the will to imitate (question #1).

Perhaps one could agree that it's not good for any society if its people don't have enough food or can't afford life-preserving medical care (if moral persuasion holds little sway, at the very least in an economic-contribution sense) and it is at this very basic human point I'd hope most could agree and chalk up our differences to methodology.

Also, on this thread's topic: I've had little to contribute but learned much. Thank you for all who posted.
 

CKL

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Watch a few Jordan Peterson you tube videos on Society Hierarchy. It cleared up some of my ego questions I had about myself and gave me a different perspective on others
 

AP90

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I think most who hold the opinion that America is "greedy" or "unequal" aren't yearning for 100% equality, but would like a society to guarantee a reasonable quality of life (definition of reasonable varies from society to society) to even its poorest citizens (question #2) and observe that much of the rich man's success is borne from the exploitation of those lower classes, or of the "system" (whether it be the tax system, legislation system, etc) rather than the mythology that their wild success is based solely on "hard work" that others lacked the will to imitate (question #1).

Perhaps one could agree that it's not good for any society if its people don't have enough food or can't afford life-preserving medical care (if moral persuasion holds little sway, at the very least in an economic-contribution sense) and it is at this very basic human point I'd hope most could agree and chalk up our differences to methodology.

Also, on this thread's topic: I've had little to contribute but learned much. Thank you for all who posted.

I would argue that guaranteeing anything results in lack of incentive. Should we have a guaranteed basic income from the government? It removes incentive to work.

Exploitation of lower classes huh? Does that mean that business owners are exploiting all their workers? These business owners aren't forcing these people to work for them. If they are being exploited it is because they are allowing it to be done to them. Hard work does not always translate to long hours, late nights, and back breaking work. It could simply be they thought of something no one else did and are capitalizing on it. But to take away from what others have earned by saying they have exploited their workers and the system is a slap in the face.

As far as food and healthcare go, I don't believe that anyone should do without, but I'm not of the belief that it is anyone else's responsibility to pay for it other than that person. I should not be responsible for someone else's medical bills and likewise no one should be responsible for mine other than myself.
 
We have a 2 part interview process, we ask detailed questions.

In my opinion, a 2 part interview with detailed questions is not enough, not even close! You probably have more to your process that you're not sharing, but if you're willing to really take a good hard look at your process, I'd highly recommend the Hiring Talent book and/or web training: https://managementblog.org/hiring-talent/

It takes a little while to get used to the author's style, but once you do, it's gold!
 

Schnicklefritz

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Again today, a prospective employee dispatched from a temp agency was a no show. Our owner likes going this route when there is a job opening, but it takes mucho time and patience. I'm happy I don't have to do the training, because typically, if the person even shows up, they are one of two types -- (1) either they are on drugs or booze and can't get their act together to be a reliable, capable employee or (2) they've got attitude and think they are too good for the job. Possibly a third case involves those just fulfilling requirements so they can continue to get government benefits, though I'm not sure how that works. Looking back on my career, I was always conscientious in my work and felt loyalty to anyone who would be willing to put me on the payroll. I don't see that mindset much with many temp to hires. Although right now we have a person who started as a temp, was interested in the job, had a great attitude, excelled at her job and her contract was bought out by the owner. She is the exception. And ironically, it'll be her job to train the next person the agency sends us. :)
 

Magnus59

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I would argue that guaranteeing anything results in lack of incentive. Should we have a guaranteed basic income from the government? It removes incentive to work.

Exploitation of lower classes huh? Does that mean that business owners are exploiting all their workers? These business owners aren't forcing these people to work for them. If they are being exploited it is because they are allowing it to be done to them. Hard work does not always translate to long hours, late nights, and back breaking work. It could simply be they thought of something no one else did and are capitalizing on it. But to take away from what others have earned by saying they have exploited their workers and the system is a slap in the face.

As far as food and healthcare go, I don't believe that anyone should do without, but I'm not of the belief that it is anyone else's responsibility to pay for it other than that person. I should not be responsible for someone else's medical bills and likewise no one should be responsible for mine other than myself.

People in the USA seem to have a real fear that the country would dissolve into a putrid pile of socialist excrement if employees were given minimum rights and entitlements by legislation. We seem to manage pretty well here in Australia with a liveable minimum wage, mandated 4 weeks annual leave, guaranteed sick/personal leave and a health care system that, although not perfect, works reasonably well. we're far from Utopia, but I don't see that we have removed the incentive to work, and the economy hasn't melted down due to the cost of giving workers minimum standards.
Edit: Employees here are also entitled by law to long service leave (after 10 years in the government sector, 15 years in the private sector) which is 3 months of paid leave.
 
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